Obama supports Ground Zero mosque. Religious freedom or is he being too PC?

onifre responds to me:

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Would you consider reciting antisemitic messages on Egyptian TV offensive?

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What does this have to do with anything? Are they in the US? Were they the ones who wrote into Comedy Central?Once again, you leap to vague, unnamed, undefined people. Who are the specific people you're referring to?

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.

Which has nothing to do with today, or with what Jesus taught us to do. It is OT, similar to the barbaric ways of other religions that still practice those kinds of ideas. It's a shame we need to point this out to you. Modern Christians do not follow the practices of the OT. Jesus was the completion of the law. Maybe you should read the book, this time with an open mind.

Hmm? How so? My point was about being an asshole and offensive, not about being a terrorist. Would you care to explain how you think I was referring to terrorism?

As usual Rhain, you fly off the handle and are completely illogical. Um, one hyphenated word:
Al-Farooq It's not my idea to investigate them, and I am sure they are being investigated. If people start accusing others of things, then an investigation needs to be done, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with paranoia on my part, or racism, or anything else, it is just common sense, and the usual way things are done. It is unfortunate that people get investigated from empty accusations, but sometimes they are not empty accusations, and that is how bad people get caught. Either way the bad person will get caught, because if the investigation reveals that people are just being racist, then we will know.Remember, I am not saying just to investigate the Mosque, I am saying investigate the accusers also.It is really not a problem, and you agree, because you have gone and done a little homework yourself, and commenced your own investigation, and came up with an answer. So wtf is the problem? Are you paranoid also?So it's ok for you to go and investigate this situation, but it is not ok for me to suggest that it might be a good idea to? More hypocrisy from you, highly illogical. Once again your emotions get the best of you, and you miss out on the finer things in life.

The muslims that deliberately act offensive towards others. If you want names and adresses then sorry, but I can;t provide them.

You have much to learn. It is absolutely enough.

No I don't. No I don't. It has nothing to do with this thread. feel free to start another one, and I would express my views on it, after I learn a little about it. funny how you accuse me of how I feel about something I know nothing about. No I don't.What I have a problem with is after the investigation, the people falsely accusing me of something should pay for the hassle they caused me. Yep, see two posts ago.

Cool, thanks for supporting what I was saying. Since no-one has accused me of anything, then I am ok. But before you decide to accuse me of anything, you should also be willing to pay the price if you are wrong, and are just making unfounded racist remarks. I didn't mean that. I think the situation has diminished a bit. I also think media is to blame for most of this, as usual. You could report about these things without creating a stir, and they don't because they want a stir. Kind of like what Rrhain does.

My mother? Depends. IF she really deserved it (not that I think she could ever do something that deserves that, but say, she has a fit of "insanity", and thinks only praying for my brother is enough to heal him and he dies, you betcha.)My best friend? All the time, that's how we roll. Agree. It all depends. I'd never do that. No, I don;t know anyone who deserves this. If there was a mosque, say, that is nothing bu spreading hatespeech and being violent, than yes, I would. I'm a dick, you see (if I want to), but not an asshole. To consider giving them a piece of their own mind? If someone thinks they can insult someone but get special privileges themselves, I'll be there to point out they can't have it both ways. I am not defending hate. I am making a point that people should grow a fucking pair and not be insulted by every little thing. That's basically what I am saying. Also, if a particualr gourp finds, say, painting your house pink the most heinous thing there is, and they in their meetings preach that we should kill people who paint there house pink, guess what, I'll paint their "preach center" pink.Fuck irrational beliefs and hate mongering. You wanna be tough, you bettter take a few hits yourself. Crying that "everybody is so insulting" towards you when you are insulting towards others is hypocrisy.No, I'm not saying all muslims are, I realize there are many that denounce all of that. I am not speaking about them though, I am talking about the ones that are assholes.

so what you are saying that today there are no christians that let say want to kill all african-american peapole, no christian terrorist that walk in to a liberal gathering and kill a few liberals and gays cause they are upset whit them.there are dangerus fundamentalist in almost every religion an jut like you dont aprove abbout those christian fundamentalists, most muslims dont aprove the 9.11 attackathough i don't think its very ethical or smart to put a mosque near ground 0 and that it will cause more problems like riots and protests

I'm going to say this now, as I have many times previously:There is no mosque in the planned community centre. There is a prayer room, intended for use by all religions, without preference to any one in partcular.It's perfectly ethical and smart for the reasons they are doing so: to attempt improving relations between the general US public and the Muslim community. Also, because it's likely the only site they could get in the area.
It's only causing problems because of bigotry and prejudice. Those protesting it have no idea why it's being built; heck, they can't even get what the thing will actually be right. If the mosque can go ahead, it will solve those problems itself -- that's why it's getting built.

sorry i dint know it was for all religions, if it where a mosque it would be simmilar to a maximal securety warden putting a white supremasist and a african american gang member in the same cell to help them work out their diferences its just something you don't do.

Just a heads-up.There is already a Mosque near Ground Zero, in fact has been since around the time the towers were built, maybe even before the Towers were built. It's really small though, so small that during prayers many of the congregation cannot get inside and end up spreading their prayer rugs on the sidewalk and street. This has been true for many decades and I have personally witnessed the Muslims there.If you have Google maps search for "Masjid Manhattan". Zoom in and you can see how close it is.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

and im also guessing there are no protests in front of it. cause its not somthing new that gets people riled up. its just somthing politicians should reconsider before allowe somthing that can cause an evan bigger rift between 2 community's.for example if my naighbur would have sold his house and than a church, mosque, .... would be built there i would have no problems whit it as long as they dont keep me up at night (they never did anything that would efect me in a bad way) . if however Romani (gyp...) where to start building their "houses" there i might have a problem cause i had loads of stuff stolen form them. i know it sound like im a biggot and hater and that i should give them the benefit of a doubt but its in human nature to to apply the traits of individuals to the whole community from witch they come.

It's simple, really. Is the OT necessary for christianity or not? Can you have christianity without it?My point is: there is a book that people look to for guidance and find meaning in. If they find a particular passage that suits what they feel, they are justified in carrying out those actions because they have scripture (mere words in a book) to back them up. You cannot deny that those words are indeed there. Not that I care right now to get into a discussion about what the bible means, but I am pretty sure jesus did not come to change the law of the OT. But you see, anyone can interpret the words of the bible however they want and there is no way YOU can tell me I am wrong just because it's not what you want to hear.

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Your god believes in Unicorns