I agree they are not very trust worthy, Im not on their side. Im just looking for a rebutal. Thats it.
We need the original references for a rebuttal. All we have is the claims being made as to what those references actually say. Given the track record of creationists, I don't think we should accept these claims at face value.
For example, Kent Hovind used to claim that pieces of the same mammoth had very discordant dates:
"One part of the Vollosovitch mammoth carbon dated at 29,500 years old. Another part of the same mammoth carbon dated at 44,000 years old."--Kent Hovind
When people actually checked his references they found that the dates were from different mammoths, not the same one.
Angelfire - error 410
That is the type of misrepresentation that we are used to, so I think it is prudent to work from the original sources instead of what the creationists claim the sources say.