God created evolution

All you can say is that some species became extinct. Maybe that was necessary for the next step in the evolutionary process. It tells us nothing about whether there was a designer or not.For that matter there were many efforts that were failures before humans got the first aircraft in the air. Just because things didn't always go as planned doesn't mean that there wasn't a designer.Extinct species may be evidence of something but not whether there was a designer or not.

You ignored the second half of my post:

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The most likely explanation for the extinctions seems to be that the design "didn't work" in the given environment - i.e. it failed. The most likely explanation is what science always goes for and "God coulda woulda shoulda...." doesn't qualify.

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Nowhere did I make an argument against a designer. I said that if there was a designer, he had a lot more failures than successes. I don't know why anybody would want to associate such imcompetence with their god.

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Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.

Larni said that there was evidence against design. I merely asked what evidence he had and what he claimed as evidence was the fact that there have been extinct species.That was the discussion you entered into. I repeat that there is no evidence against a designer. There is only personal opinion. Larni's was that there is no designer and my belief that there is.You can make whatever judgement you like about the competence of the designer but, I repeat the fact that we have something instead of nothing, and out of that something came life, and out of that life evolved sentient beings. That seems like a pretty astounding bit of designing to me.

If you mean a product of bilogical evolution, then no, I'm not aware of any hypothesis with that point of view. As Jar pointed out however, the concept of god is an ever changing one, and so, can be said to evolve, just not in the same sense that life evolves, if you catch my drift.Welcome to EvC by the way! Edited by Huntard, : Added welcome

Thanks for the welcome and the replies. It sure feels like my kind of place. I am like a hungry man who found the buffet table.It is a bit of a nebulous thought but could it be that the god concept is a necessary product of an intellect at out stage of development? Put another way, is it a biological mechanism? It certainly seems to be omnipresent. Are there any cultures that do not have or never had a god concept?Perhaps these questions belong in a different thread.

You're welcome. I would say yes, but with a twist. See, in the "beginning" as homo spaiens was a newly emerging species, we of course did not have scientific explanations for even the most basic things (plants growing, lightning, the seasons), and becuase people don't like not knowing, and thus, not having any influence over something, they "invented" gods, so that they could "influence" things, even if it was by sacrificing and praying to the gods, who would still decide on their own wim to regard the sacrifice/prayer or not. Well, religions have become very good at indoctrinating people from a young age onward. Not that I know, though strictly speaking, Buddha is not a god. Well, you could always propose a new topic over at the Proposed New Topics forum.Also, a free tip, use the "peek" button on the bottom right of this post to see how I did those neat little quoteboxes.

Only if sentient beings were a design milestone or objective.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Why is that?

Nobody cares what your opinion is. We want to know why you hold that opinion.I suggested that if there was a designer, he seems to be incompetent because most of his designs have fallen by the wayside. I think that is a pretty good argument against a "god" being behind evolution. A small minority of good designs don't make him look very godlike.You didn't address that point.Edited by ringo, : Split a paragraph.Edited by ringo, : Spellin.

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Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.

If a design produces something other than what the designer envisioned then it is a failed design. The product might be a success but the design was a failure.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

You keep trying to move the discussion to something it wasn't. The point was Larni said he has evidence that evolution wasn't designed. He doesn't. All of us only have opinions. I did address that point in post 31. I said:

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All you can say is that some species became extinct. Maybe that was necessary for the next step in the evolutionary process. It tells us nothing about whether there was a designer or not.

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For that matter there were many efforts that were failures before humans got the first aircraft in the air. Just because things didn't always go as planned doesn't mean that there wasn't a designer.

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Extinct species may be evidence of something but not whether there was a designer or not.

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And just how do you know what the designer envisioned, and how do you know that the world the way it is is the final product?

I'd like to try and narrow down your position.In your OP you indicated that you generally accept the evidence that evolution has occurred over billions of years.Do you accept that it is a result of Natural Selection acting upon mutations?If so, presumably the only discrepancy between us would be what causes those mutations: either an unguided process or intelligent intervention.Even if some intelligent entity were responsible for causing those mutations, that intelligent entity would not be responsible for evolution. Natural selection would still play the critical role in deciding whether or not that mutation prevails. The intelligent entity would simply be saying, "let's sit back and see what happens if I tweak this a bit".Is that what you mean?

The reason my evidence supports 'no designer' is that the 'designed' species keep dying off, through out history. Indicating that if they were designed they were design to fail.This could mean the designer may have been short sighted. But this is contradicted by the bible.Yawheh is not short sighted. He's knows and can achieve anything. He does not make mistakes.Unless you are saying the 'designer' (i.e. Yahweh) only makes organism to last for a while, then for them to die off.

It is irrelevant what the designer envisioned.If the design objective was sentient life then the designer is either very limited or inept. That is based on observation, the number of failures as a percentage of successes.If the designer did not envision sentient life yet sentient life was produced, then the design failed.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!