how exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East and why do we need Israel?

It does not pay a prophet to be too specific.

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L. Sprague de Camp

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

A whole lot of more killing, enslaving and conquest by Islam is in the historical archives than of preservation and aiding Christians and Jews. As it is today is as it's always been.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Except as you have been shown, there was no "pre-flood super climate" since the Biblical Flood has been absolutely refuted. Claiming some Biblical Flood is simply posting falsehoods. Islam emerged over 1400 years ago.You have offered no support for any emerging world government.You have not shown that the current State of Israel matches any Biblical Prophecy.You have not shown that today's climate change matches any Biblical Prophecy.So once again do you have anything other than unsupported assertions, falsehoods and innuendo.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Yet you provide no support for your assertions where I provided specific evidence in support of my position.You do understand that the 1922 League of Nations mandate sets aside NO land for the jews don't you?You do understand that Jewish and Christian Middle East sites are also sites relevant to Islam since Judaism, Christianity and Islam all worship the same God and Patriarchs don't you?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

You say that I have it wrong. But then you go on to describe your fantasy, and that pretty much confirms what I had said.Edited by nwr, : spelling

Well, hate to say I told you all so, but in Message 34 I did say: SO yeah, he does think that. No it isn't, it won't happen within your lifetime, nor will it happen in mine, nor will it happen at any time.

Prepare yourself and hang onto your hat, Huntard. Make your peace with God by receiving his son, Jesus, messiah as saviour and lord/master. It's been escalating for the last century and will escalate more rapidly into fruition within, I say within, 50 years; more likely sooner than later!

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

I will remember those words when I sip my Interstellar Martini on Luna Beach 1. And I will laugh. hard.

So you keep saying, but you never provide any support for your assertion that stands up to examination.If you want to make that claim, why not start a thread on it and see if it can be supported?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Buz, you can't say NWR is wrong about you guys believing a fantasy, and then go on to describe said fantasy... To think, your god has 95 billion light years of space, galaxies, solar systems, planets, black holes, etc. to look after, and you claim he's worried about 946.1/sq mi of dirt on a single planet... - Oni

Make that 10. They were saying 50 years back in the '70s when I was a member of a fundamentalist church with basically the same eschatology.

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To count as an atheist, one needn't claim to have proof that there are no gods. One only needs to believe that the evidence on the god question is in a similar state to the evidence on the werewolf question. -- John McCarthy

That's right, Onifre. Teeny tiny earth appears to be the spot in the universe where the greatest adversary of God and his hoards of demons will be cast from the cosmos and be eventually thrown into the lake of fire. Don't fall for his deceipt and end up there with him. He's the great deceiver who's powers of deception separates the sheeple from Jehovah and his Jesus, lord and savior, the only salvation for humanity.BTW, how do you know it's only 95 billion light years? Perhaps that's only a speck in the whole. Little arrogant humans tend to think the realm of intelligence and space existing is what teeny earthlings have and what their teeny little telescops can observe.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Most evangelicals were not predicting time frame. Aka, Buzsaw was predicting 70 years, give or take a few back in the 70s, based on Luke 21 when Jesus's prophecy of Gentiles being driven from Jerusalem, i.e. the 1967 Six Day War, when the Jews, for the first time after 19 plus centuries, marched into the old walled city of Jerusalem and celebrated at the Wailing Wall. Likely my calculation is still quite on track. Keep in mind, that 50 year statement was "within," and likely sooner than later relative to that timeframe. A whole lot of significant stuff supportive to rapid change in that direction has ensued since 1970. Edited by Buzsaw, : fix quote

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Or, it sounds like humans made up a story about lakes of fire and this planet being where god's adversaries will be cast down to because they didn't know or realize the magnitude that is the entire, observable universe. Do you know who El Indio Hatuey was? He was a cheif from Hispaniola who fought the Spaniards.He had this to say:

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(Pointing to gold and jewels) Here is the God the Spaniards worship. For these they fight and kill; for these they persecute us and that is why we have to throw them into the sea... They tell us, these tyrants, that they adore a God of peace and equality, and yet they usurp our land and make us their slaves. They speak to us of an immortal soul and of their eternal rewards and punishments, and yet they rob our belongings, seduce our women, violate our daughters. Incapable of matching us in valor, these cowards cover themselves with iron that our weapons cannot break...

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Before he was burned alive, a priest asked him if he would accept Jesus and go to heaven. The cheif replied:

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...thinking a little (Hatuey) asked the religious man if Christians went to heaven. The religious man answered yes... The chief then said without further thought that he did not want to go there, but to hell, so as not to be where they were and where he would not see such cruel people.

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This is my same response to you about accepting Jesus and Heaven... First, I didn't say "only 95 billion light years," and second, 95 billion is all we know of, that we have evidence for, and speculating about the rest frankly does me no worth.- OniEdited by onifre, : No reason given.Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

Yet another false statement. I assume you can provide support that Jews were not allowed to pray at the Wailing Wall for 19+ centuries or is this just another of your unsupported assertions?Do you ignore the Firmans issued regarding the wall, like the 1560 one by Suleiman the Magnificent that recognized the Jews rights of access and to pray at the wall, or the decree by Abdul Hamid II in 1889 reaffirming "That there shall be no interference with the Jews' places of devotional visits and of pilgrimage, that are situated in the localities which are dependent on the Chief Rabbinate, nor with the practice of their ritual." Are you ignoring all the years of the mandate when beginning in 1917 under Allenby the policy was "that every sacred building, monument, holy spot, shrine, traditional site, endowment, pious bequest, or customary place of prayer of whatsoever form of the three religions will be maintained and protected according to the existing customs and beliefs of those to whose faith they are sacred"?Edited by jar, : fix sub-titleEdited by jar, : appalin spallin

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!