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Author Topic:   how exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East and why do we need Israel?
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Message 96 of 108 (572706)
08-07-2010 9:04 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by Buzsaw
08-07-2010 8:54 AM


Re: 1967 Six Day War; Whose Aggression?.
And so based on threats Israel attacked other nations.
That is a war of aggression Buz. Israel invaded Egypt just as Israel has invaded Lebanon and Syria.
But it still is irrelevant to the questions.
How does Israel stabilize the Middle East and why do we need Israel?

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Message 98 of 108 (572711)
08-07-2010 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by Buzsaw
08-07-2010 9:12 AM


Re: Dude, you have your answers.
Buz writes:
Jar, this is your classic response; to offer some nutty objection and incessantly repeat the answered questions.
Buz, once again you support my position.
As you so kindly point out, the questions are still unanswered.

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Message 101 of 108 (572718)
08-07-2010 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Dr Adequate
08-07-2010 9:22 AM


Interim summary
Dr A writes:
Huntard writes:
It'll make it a lot harder, sure, but ultimately, not persecuting the Jews is only possible when you just stop doing it.
But unsuccessfully persecuting the Jews is possible when they can kick your ass into the middle of next week whether you try to persecute them or not.
That is certainly a reason that Israel would make to explain their offensive capabilities, and it would be valid in that context, but I also need to point out that it ONLY involves the Nation of Israel, not "Jews". The existence of the Nation of Israel does not preclude Jews being oppressed anywhere else. It does NOT preclude another Holocaust or even another pogrom or expulsion.
The question is not "Why do Israeli's need Israel", I believe that is pretty clear. The question is "Why do we need Israel?" and so far only a few reasons have been put forth.
One reason mentioned was that we needed a military base. Reality though shows that we are precluded from using Israel as a forward base because US troops there would destabilize the region.
A second and unfortunately even more plausible reason is to draw attention away from the US, for Israel to become the focus of hatred instead of the US.
The third reason suggested is that the existence of Israel is somehow a requirement to hurry along Armageddon. Not sure why that would be something we need but look forward to seeing that explained.
Neither of those seems to be very honorable so the question remains. Are they the only reasons we need Israel?
Edited by jar, : fix sub-title
Edited by jar, : add the third reason that has been presented. Don't know how I missed that one

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Message 106 of 108 (572807)
08-07-2010 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by Buzsaw
08-07-2010 6:04 PM


Re: Interim summary
Buz writes:
See Jar? This is what I mean. Just seven messages back I posted two additional reasons highlighted in pink, yet you simply waived them off calling for reasons, as you've incessantly been repeating all the way down thread from your OP.
What two reasons Buz?
I see no reasons there that shows either how Israel stabilizes the Middle east or why we need Israel.
The cold war is over and I see no evidence of your imagined militant expansionist Muslims.
Who is the Militant Muslim Nation that is expansionist?
Let's look.
Egypt and Jordan have treaties with Israel. So does Syria and Lebanon but those treaties have not kept Israel from invading, occupying and holding Syrian and Lebanon territories.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

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