how exactly does Israel stabilize the Middle East and why do we need Israel?

Because Israel is a human rights violator, Israel causes great INSTABILITY in the middle east/world.Universal Declaration of Human Rights - WikipediaThe raid on the boat flotilla in INTERNATIONAL waters and using phosphorus bombs on women and children are two examples:MSN | Outlook, Office, Skype, Bing, Breaking News, and Latest Videos
Video shows evidence of phosphorus bombs in Gaza | Gaza | The GuardianBecause Amerika often supports regimes (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, Iraq in the 80's, Turkey, Afghanistan, Indonesia, ect) with outrageous human rights records, it causes great instability and sometimes blowback (9/11) in the US/world.Fox "News" viewers would disagree.PS, I think RAZD had an excellent/elegant post somewhere on the forum about this issue. It was somewhat off-topic, so I am having difficulty finding it. If someone can find it, can you link it here?Edited by dronester, : added RAZD comment

Actually, people like Buzz, in their upside-down, hate-filled, religion-is-grand world, would ass-backwardly use my atrocities-against-children example as evidence FOR Israel somehow stabilizing the middle east. Smelling The Coffee: 2010; Message 70 of 270 (541724)IMO, people with dimunitive-craniums who voted for Bush Jr. TWICE, secretly and outwardly loved the catastrophies/atrocities Bush Jr. caused in the world.Edited by dronester, : No reason given.Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Made reference a clickable link.

Hey Oni,Your post is good, but I think it important to show where US/Israel's menacing leads . . .Although Iran is also a human rights violator, I completely understand them and every other country wanting nuclear weapon deterents. Afterall, when the US lied about Iraqi WMD and then illegally and immorally invaded, it concretely showed smaller countries their need for nuclear weapon deterents. It would be dumb/suicidal for middle east countries NOT to get nuclear weapons.Amerika's and Israel's actions are leading the world to more terrorism and catastrophic risks. Again, you would have to be a Fox "News" viewer to NOT get this.

C'mon Huntard, I thought you became enlightened about all this stuff.Yes, the Muslem terrorists do target women and children and it is wrong. But . . .What side (Israel or Palestine) CONTROLS movement, food, employment, water, health, security, human rights, to the point of life or death?BTW, I read the Dutch are removing Afghan troups due to public pressure. Hooray for the Dutch!!!

You didn't answer my question:What side (Israel or Palestine) CONTROLS movement, food, employment, water, health, security, human rights, to the point of life or death?(and, thanks for the enlightenment about the Dutch removing troops. I obviously haven't read the inside scoop.) Correction, I have a strong dislike for SPECIFIC American policies. The Afghans prefer NOT to be in any foreigner hands. It's most important what the Afghan people want.We are off-topic, sorry Jar.Edited by dronester, : No reason given.

Hey Huntard,I don' know how to link other messages, but have a read:RAZD, Message 15 of 16 (523390), Israel-Palestine: The One State SolutionI think it one of the better summaries on the Israel-Palestine conflict. Kudos RAZD.If Buzz continues to be absent on this thread, maybe we can re-activate the other one if you have further thoughts as this specific topic is off-topic per Jar's request.

The two state solution is the NEARLY universally accepted proposal by all countries including the arab/muslim nations: Two-state solution - WikipediaThe one country that continually and unilaterally vetoes this solution is the USA. It should come as no surprise that the US has done everything it could to prevent a peaceful solution for the last 40 years. Yet the US government and corporate media unilaterally portray the Palestinians as the bad guys who resist a peaecful solution.Why do you think this is Phat? Please name one nation who wants to eliminate Israel. Evidence please.You conclude with an opinion that revising past borders wouldn't create peace either. OK, if the two-state solution above wouldn't foster peace, what would? Please be specific. Edited by dronester, : full quote