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DBlevins
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Message 61 of 76 (572591)
08-06-2010 5:15 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by onifre
08-06-2010 5:03 PM


Re: Ufo's sans aliens?
I believe what RR means is, unidentified flying objects (UFO's) clearly exist. Any object that is in flight, and you can't identify it, fits that definition.
I guess I am confused by the 'evidence' portion of the statement. Obviously there will always be unidentified flying objects. Why make the point that evidence exists of something you see everyday? It seems like overkill and confuses poeple who identify ufo's in the popular sense of 'alien flying objects'.
I'd be more likely to put RR's 'ufo's' into the alien ufo slot, considering he seems to feel that they are driven by demons and not aliens. I guess I am saying, 'What's the difference between an alien driven ufo and a demon driven one?'
I understand your position that ufo's, by definition exist, but I think there is a not so subtle difference between what you are saying and what RR believes.

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Huntard
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From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 62 of 76 (572594)
08-06-2010 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by DBlevins
08-06-2010 5:15 PM


Re: Ufo's sans aliens?
DBlevins writes:
I guess I am confused by the 'evidence' portion of the statement. Obviously there will always be unidentified flying objects. Why make the point that evidence exists of something you see everyday?
To contrast it with something for which evidence is never seen (god), is my guess.
It seems like overkill and confuses poeple who identify ufo's in the popular sense of 'alien flying objects.
People who do that commit a massive logical fallacy.
I'd be more likely to put RR's 'ufo's' into the alien ufo slot, considering he seems to feel that they are driven by demons and not aliens. I guess I am saying, 'What's the difference between an alien driven ufo and a demon driven one?'
None, they're both equally faulty conclusions.
I understand your position that ufo's, by definition exist, but I think there is a not so subtle difference between what you are saying and what RR believes.
'Tis not our fault he commits a logical fallacy.

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Wounded King
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Message 63 of 76 (572605)
08-06-2010 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by DBlevins
08-06-2010 12:27 PM


Re: Miracle Visitors
Well it was published in 1980, so maybe he was tapping into the zeitgeist a bit prematurely. Or maybe these associations have just been out there for a while and the internet has just given them more prominence.
TTFN,
WK

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onifre
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Message 64 of 76 (572606)
08-06-2010 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by DBlevins
08-06-2010 5:15 PM


Re: Ufo's sans aliens?
Obviously there will always be unidentified flying objects. Why make the point that evidence exists of something you see everyday? It seems like overkill and confuses poeple who identify ufo's in the popular sense of 'alien flying objects'.
Well, that's not fair. Just because the phrase "ufo" was abducted (oh snap, pun!) by fiction writers doesn't negate it's true meaning. I guess maybe people shouldn't identify so much with fiction?
'What's the difference between an alien driven ufo and a demon driven one?'
Demons drive like shit, everyone knows that.
Seriously though, I haven't a clue what a demon is, what an alien is, and the only place I've seen either word used is in fiction. So what's the difference between two fictional characters? Nothing in the broad sense.
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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riVeRraT
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Message 65 of 76 (572668)
08-06-2010 11:45 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by Huntard
08-06-2010 8:06 AM


Re: Sense?
"Huntard" writes:
Huh? How does objective evidence turn into subjective evidence?
When it becomes history, and the person doing it is dead. Or if we have no way of proving it because of our inabilities.

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riVeRraT
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Message 66 of 76 (572669)
08-06-2010 11:51 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by DBlevins
08-06-2010 12:30 PM


Re: Ufo's sans aliens?
"DBlevins" writes:
I am curious what logical leap made you determine that ufo's exist but aliens don't?
Seriously, I am curious.
There is no logical leap. You made the illogical leap. You automatically tie UFO's with alien life forms, which is not the case. UFO, is just that, an unidentified flying object, which could be one of a million things.
I have personally seen an UFO, but that doesn't mean that aliens exist. It just means I saw something in the sky, that was flying, and I could not make out what it was. I will never know. Tons and tons of UFO sightings are reported every day. Does that mean aliens exist? There are actual pictures, and real evidence of UFO existences, but just what are those things? Top secret military aircraft, hallucinations, who knows what? Doesn't mean aliens.

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riVeRraT
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Message 67 of 76 (572670)
08-07-2010 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by DBlevins
08-06-2010 5:15 PM


Assuming too much
"DBlevins" writes:
I understand your position that ufo's, by definition exist, but I think there is a not so subtle difference between what you are saying and what RR believes.
You assume too much then. More evidence of the craziness in this forum. How you could look at two almost identical posts, and think one means one thing, and the other something different. Onifire got it, why didn't you? Please tell me why...
jar take notice please.
Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.
Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 68 of 76 (572671)
08-07-2010 12:07 AM
Reply to: Message 62 by Huntard
08-06-2010 5:21 PM


Re: Ufo's sans aliens?
To contrast it with something for which evidence is never seen (god), is my guess.
Totally off track.
"Huntard" writes:
None, they're both equally faulty conclusions.
palm face plant***
You my friend are a retard. The only logical fallacy around here is you.
How could you take DBlevins conclusion, and label it riverrat's, then accuse me of a logical fallacy when he has no clue what I am talking about, because he can't see through his own short comings?

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ringo
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Message 69 of 76 (572679)
08-07-2010 12:38 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by riVeRraT
08-07-2010 12:02 AM


Re: Assuming too much
riVeRraT writes:
More evidence of the craziness in this forum.
Everybody's crazy but you, Napoleon.

Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.

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DBlevins
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From: Puyallup, WA.
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Message 70 of 76 (572683)
08-07-2010 1:19 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by riVeRraT
08-06-2010 11:51 PM


Re: Ufo's sans aliens?
Ok, I guess I was wrong in thinking you believed ufo's to be demonic apparations of sorts. My appologies!
By the way, I don't automatically tie ufo's with aliens. I have tried unsuccessfully to get people to be more clear in their meaning when they discuss ufo's. (The professional versus science fiction application of the term)
PS. It would make the discussion easier, as I am interested in the conflux of alien spacecraft (science fiction 'ufo') with demon manifestations and NOT the existence of unidentified flying objects (which I would not dispute).

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Huntard
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Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 71 of 76 (572688)
08-07-2010 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by riVeRraT
08-07-2010 12:07 AM


Re: Ufo's sans aliens?
riVeRraT writes:
Totally off track.
Really? I think Jar would be the arbiter of that, he hasn't come forward to say that that wasn't the reason he made the comparison
palm face plant***
Do you mean Facepalm?
You my friend are a retard.
Thank you. *drools a little*
The only logical fallacy around here is you.
Cool!
How could you take DBlevins conclusion, and label it riverrat's, then accuse me of a logical fallacy when he has no clue what I am talking about, because he can't see through his own short comings?
I'm sorry, what? I said that both the conclusion that aliens or demons are the source for unidentified (this is the important word here) flying objects, are equally faulty. Because no one know what those things were, that's what unidentified means. Or are you going to tell me you have evidence that either of them are responsible for UFO's?

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 72 of 76 (572708)
08-07-2010 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by riVeRraT
08-07-2010 12:02 AM


Re: Assuming too much
riVeRraT writes:
jar take notice please.
I'd gladly take notice if I had a clue what it was you wanted me to notice.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 73 of 76 (572992)
08-09-2010 10:58 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by ringo
08-07-2010 12:38 AM


Re: Assuming too much
"ringo" writes:
Everybody's crazy but you, Napoleon.
Oh I'm crazy alright.

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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 416 days)
Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 74 of 76 (572994)
08-09-2010 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by DBlevins
08-07-2010 1:19 AM


Re: Ufo's sans aliens?
DBlevins" writes:
Ok, I guess I was wrong in thinking you believed ufo's to be demonic apparations of sorts. My appologies!
No problem!
I think it is totally stupid to think demons need UFO's to show up. My stance is, UFO's exist (the technical explanation), but there is no proof of alien spacecraft, or aliens. They may exist. Demons may exist also, but that is a whole other story.

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DBlevins
Member (Idle past 3776 days)
Posts: 652
From: Puyallup, WA.
Joined: 02-04-2003


Message 75 of 76 (573017)
08-09-2010 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by riVeRraT
08-09-2010 11:01 AM


Re: Ufo's sans aliens?
I think it is totally stupid to think demons need UFO's to show up. My stance is, UFO's exist (the technical explanation), but there is no proof of alien spacecraft, or aliens. They may exist. Demons may exist also, but that is a whole other story.
I shouldn't be surprised at such a reasonable and cogent statement, which just goes to show me again that the breadth of Christian, or religious, belief is and can be immense. That I was so quick to place you in one camp or another (without cause) was an epic failure on my part.

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