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ringo
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Message 46 of 76 (571380)
07-31-2010 2:27 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by DBlevins
07-31-2010 2:13 PM


Re: wishful thinking
DBlevins writes:
Secondly, and much, much more probable is the fact that having that technology, they would have the technology to also gather what they required without adversely affecting other sentient races. Why experiment on us humans?
It's possible that some sort of Prime Directive explains the aliens' sneaking around instead of landing on the White House lawn and claiming the whole planet as their own, like us humans would do.
The demons' Prime Directive, on the other hand, seems to be to interfere in every way possible. Maybe they're just different aliens with different political agendas.

Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.

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DBlevins
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Message 47 of 76 (571382)
07-31-2010 2:37 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by jar
07-31-2010 1:24 PM


Intersection
The problem we run into, is the intersection of these three propositions. It seems easy to me for people to talk past each other just because of the very nature of the definitions, which also makes it easier for people to contradict themselves or be inconsistent.
I think most people understand the difference between an 'unidentified' object and ufo's/aliens and demons. While I can equate the belief that aliens visit us with the belief that demons do, and there are people who hold one or the other to be more valid, I also can hold as more likely that aliens might have visited us, just on the reasonable assumption that because I exist, 'others' can.
You might disagree, but I think it would be a more fruitful road to first determine if other christians believe aliens=demons is a valid proposition, and then dig into why or how they could hold these positions.

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DBlevins
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Message 48 of 76 (571388)
07-31-2010 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by ringo
07-31-2010 2:27 PM


Independence Day
I think I misunderstood what you were alluding to. I thought you were going under the assumption that aliens have not abducted anyone and it is just the psychosis of individuals that leads them to belive they have been abducted.
In that case then, I also would have to question the aliens motives, if what other people were saying was true.
On the assumption that these alien abductions are not real, then I stand by my claim.

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ringo
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Message 49 of 76 (571396)
07-31-2010 3:04 PM
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07-31-2010 2:42 PM


Re: Independence Day
DBlevins writes:
I thought you were going under the assumption that aliens have not abducted anyone and it is just the psychosis of individuals that leads them to belive they have been abducted.
In that case then, I also would have to question the aliens motives, if what other people were saying was true.
Well, the aliens' motives seem to be more complex than the demons'. We knew that the demons wanted to break our crockery and get into our pants. We're not sure what the aliens are up to.

Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.

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DBlevins
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Message 50 of 76 (571415)
07-31-2010 4:27 PM
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07-31-2010 3:04 PM


Re: Independence Day
Who's to say that aliens don't have that same desire to, as you say, get in our pants and break our crockery?
Maybe they're motives have been misinterpretted.

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ringo
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Message 51 of 76 (571421)
07-31-2010 4:55 PM
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07-31-2010 4:27 PM


Re: Independence Day
Maybe the conspiracy theorists have become more sophisticated. With the rise of modern communications, they're getting more practice.

Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.

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crashfrog
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Message 52 of 76 (571431)
07-31-2010 5:42 PM
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07-31-2010 12:05 PM


Re: Personal Experience
That's what you get for trying to exorcise Senior Wences! (S'awright.)

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riVeRraT
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Message 53 of 76 (572493)
08-06-2010 7:43 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by jar
07-29-2010 11:23 AM


Re: Sense?
"jar" writes:
There is evidence that UFOs (Unidentified Flying Objects) exist. There is no evidence God exists.
There is evidence that God exists, subjective evidence, which at one point in time was objective.
Of course there is evidence UFO's exist, but there is no evidence that aliens exist.

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Huntard
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Message 54 of 76 (572497)
08-06-2010 8:06 AM
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08-06-2010 7:43 AM


Re: Sense?
riVeRraT writes:
There is evidence that God exists, subjective evidence, which at one point in time was objective.
Huh? How does objective evidence turn into subjective evidence?
Edited by Huntard, : Did quote wrong

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Wounded King
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Message 55 of 76 (572506)
08-06-2010 8:34 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by DBlevins
07-26-2010 2:44 PM


In terms of 'science fiction' , I remember reading a novel by Ian Watson, called 'Miracle Visitors', that had a premise that aliens, fairies and demons were all projections from some sort of collective unconscious.
TTFN,
WK

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jar
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Message 56 of 76 (572523)
08-06-2010 10:09 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by riVeRraT
08-06-2010 7:43 AM


objective ---> subjective?
riVeRraT writes:
There is evidence that God exists, subjective evidence, which at one point in time was objective.
Exactly how does objective evidence turn into subjective evidence?
riVeRraT writes:
Of course there is evidence UFO's exist, but there is no evidence that aliens exist.
Good thing I never mentioned aliens then.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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DBlevins
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Message 57 of 76 (572544)
08-06-2010 12:27 PM
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08-06-2010 8:34 AM


Miracle Visitors
Interesting. It sounds like he has tapped into the zeitgeist, this wierd conflux of belief in ufo's, aliens, and demons, and the search for that part of the brain which some hypothesize impells us to believe.

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DBlevins
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Message 58 of 76 (572546)
08-06-2010 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by riVeRraT
08-06-2010 7:43 AM


Ufo's sans aliens?
Of course there is evidence UFO's exist, but there is no evidence that aliens exist.
I am curious what logical leap made you determine that ufo's exist but aliens don't?
Seriously, I am curious.

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onifre
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Message 59 of 76 (572589)
08-06-2010 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by DBlevins
08-06-2010 12:30 PM


Re: Ufo's sans aliens?
I am curious what logical leap made you determine that ufo's exist but aliens don't?
I believe what RR means is, unidentified flying objects (UFO's) clearly exist. Any object that is in flight, and you can't identify it, fits that definition.
Where as aliens (not mexicans but beings from other planets) have never been evidenced.
So, just because an unidentified flying object has been spotted, doesn't mean little green men from another galaxy are driving it. There is no evidence for space beings, therefore one should hold off on claiming they're in control of a flying object until evidence for them comes to the surface.
- Oni
Edited by onifre, : No reason given.

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Huntard
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Message 60 of 76 (572590)
08-06-2010 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by onifre
08-06-2010 5:03 PM


Neil Degrasse Tyson says it best
Title says it all really, here's Neil Degrasse Tyson explaining about ufo's and shit:
Linky

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