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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Jar,
Well, March 25th is easy. Yes, it is when the spring equinox occurred, now shifted to march 20-21 ish due to the lapse of leap years in old calendars.
But why January 1st? Why was what happened that day important? Except that the best evidence is that (if it occurred) the birth was in the spring (lambs etc). What is the link to december 25th? Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
RAZD writes: What is the link to december 25th? January 1 falls a week and a day after December 25th. Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Huntard writes: Damn you Ringo, coming back and stealing my spotlight! quote: And sometimes I hit the target. Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can\'t find it.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Dec 25 was not officially declared as the birth date of Jesus until 440 AD by the RCC. The pagan feast Saturnalia came from Roman paganism as did many of the non-Biblical stuff incorporated into the RCC. When Constantine became both head of state and pontifix maximus of the church in the 4th century he began mixing paganism with Christianity.
This was done to make Christianity more palatable to the pagans. This was just one of the reasons for my contention that Vatican City is the harlot city, i.e. Mystery Babylon of Revelation 17 and 18. Way back when I did a thread on this (5 or 6 years ago.) The book, THE TWO BABYLONS has a lot to say about the mixing of paganism with Roman Catholicism Israel is quite cold in December which would make it unlikely that all the people would be required to travel to be taxed. According to the Biblical account, the shepherds would be in the fields. Not likely in the winter. (Luke 2:8-12) Palestine is very cold in December. It was much too cold to ask everyone to travel to the city of their fathers to register for taxes. Also the shepherds were in the fields (Luke 2:8-12). Shepherds were not in the fields in the winter months. It's just nuts to suggest that a babe in the womb was not considered a human Biblically. When Mary greeted Elizabeth who was with child of John the Baptist, the record says that the babe leaped in Elizabeth's womb. It also says John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit while in the womb. (Luke 1:15)
Wiki explains that Jan 1 was also a pagan holiday, declared by Julius Caesar in 46 BC.
The Roman ruler Julius Caesar established January 1 as New Year's Day in 46 BC. The Romans dedicated this day to Janus, the god of gates, doors, and beginnings. RCC revised it to be the 8th day of Christmas. Edited by Buzsaw, : Add title and revise context some. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Well put (except for the nonsense prophecy, of course.)
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi jar,
January 1 falls a week and a day after December 25th. And the 25th is relevant how? See Message 19. When confronted with such evidence I see (hear) christians say that they celebrate the birth on the 25th, even though it is not the actual birth date ... so how does this affect the 1JAN timing? Just curious. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
Actually, it predicted that he would be filled with the Holy Spirit. It doesn't say when (or if) the prediction came true. And it says "from" the womb - i.e. after birth - not "in" the womb.
It also says John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit while in the womb. (Luke 1:15) Luke1:15 writes: For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb. Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can\'t find it.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Because the calendars WERE created by Western Christians and they celebrated December 25th as the birth date. It doesn't much matter what the actual date was. January 1st is eight days after December 25th and was celebrated as Circumcision Day or Naming Day.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Crashfrog writes: Well put (except for the nonsense prophecy, of course.) Thanks, Crashfrog. I didn't expect anyone to appreciate the prophecy element. Bonafide fulfilled prophecy makes secularists queasy about accountability to a higher power. It really is a very interesting study though. I've disected it and tested it with history right up until the present. Every little detail points the finger directly to Vatican City. But that's not for this topic, so I'll not digress further. Perhaps I'll do an updated thread on it if I ever find time. Edited by Buzsaw, : forgot to correct spelling BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2106 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Bonafide fulfilled prophecy... Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Interpret it how ever you wish, Ringo, but certainly it doesn't jive with the 8th day in January. Being filled with the Holy Spirit in the womb would be no more bizzar than leaping in the womb over a greeting. Neither depict a non-human. It puts the abortion connection which Jar tries to make to rest.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1467 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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Bonafide fulfilled prophecy makes secularists queasy about accountability to a higher power. No, it just makes us laugh at what the credulous will consider "fulfilled prophecy." Retrodiction is no impressive feat.
Every little detail points the finger directly to Vatican City. Sure, because you live in a world where Vatican City exists and you don't like the Catholic Church. In a world where Vatican City didn't exist yet, there would be no way to derive it from the prophecy you're talking about. It's retrodiction, not prediction.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Actually DC fits even better than Vatican City.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Buzsaw writes:
Nobody said anything about the 8th day in January. The point is that Jesus was circumcised 8 days after He was born, like every other Jewish male. It doesn't matter if they got the time of year wrong. The point is that the beginning of the year was pegged to the beginning of His Jewishness.
Interpret it how ever you wish, Ringo, but certainly it doesn't jive with the 8th day in January. Buzsaw writes:
Every baby leaps in the womb. If it coincides with a greeting, that's no surprise. Being "filled with the Holy Spirit" is another matter, which most Christians misunderstand.
Being filled with the Holy Spirit in the womb would be no more bizzar than leaping in the womb over a greeting. Buzsaw writes:
The point is that the Jewish people didn't consider a child really alive, officially Jewish, officially one of God's Chosen People until he was eight days old. Your opinion doesn't matter. It's what the Jewish people believed and practiced that counts. You're welcome to your opinions but don't pretend that the Jewish book backs you up. Neither depict a non-human. It puts the abortion connection which Jar tries to make to rest. Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can\'t find it.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Jar writes: It was important because it was the day that a child was finally expected to live, was named and also was accepted as a member of the Faith. Jar, where is your evidence? Where are you getting this from? The fact is that the Holy Bible remarkably pinpoints the safest time for circumcision. The 7th day is when the baby's body begins to produce vitamin K which causes the blood to clot. Also the baby's intestine has no bacteria in it the first few days after it's birth. The 8th day has nothing to do with whether the baby is considered alive. This is the safest time and the time when the child will experience the least discomfort. This timing is just another reason for the reliability of the Biblical record and that it is indeed inspired of the intelligelligent designer, Jehovah, the Biblical god. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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