When does design become intelligent? (AS OF 8/2/10 - CLOSING COMMENTS ONLY)

If there was ever any doubt, that post removed it.Sheesh.Edited by jar, : fix sub-title

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Would you mind explaining to me how you came to work out that 1 gram of something is equivalent to 750,000,000,000 mgb?

Hi Dr, The point of computers is to assist humans and store information on media for future retrevial.I have never been able to get anything out of a computer that was not input by a key stroke, spoken words, or a computer program computing information.The only exception to that, that I have seen is when memory, hard disk, or processor malfunction. But when any of those occur the information is corrupt and not useable. You are correct.It is not a genetic algorithm that is written with the purpose of mimicing the process of natural evolution.It is a program written by an intelligent designer to mimic random mutation generation.There is no code in it to ignore any of the information produced. It just produces random mutations, which is exactly what would happen by natural random mutations.Sorry you don't like the results of random mutations.I am assuming you tried the random mutation generator.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Biker, Yes I did read it.I have a program on my computer and can play with it.I loved the way they talked about the program being coded to ignore certain information when producing the results. Isn't that controling the output?Don't get me wrong the one I have is a great program that was written by some very intelligent human beings. It can perform many functions and will examine and output information that it is coded to output.Now as far as your comment about my acknowledging some messages. It is impossible to answer all posts when you have as many posters pilling on as there are here against me. So I will choose who I will answer according to time restraints.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi DC85, Please explain how that would be possible.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Huntard, The DNA in one human cell contains 750 megabytes of information. I am using crashfrogs number.One human cell weighs 1 nanogram.There are 1,000,000,000 nanograms in 1 gram.So 1 gram of human cells would contain 750,000,000,000 megabytes of stored information.That is how I reached my conclusion. If the math is wrong please correct me.That would mean the intelligent designer that designed the human DNA and cell is far more intelligent that humans are. Because we are far from the compression ratio employed in the human DNA.God Bess,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Crashfrog didn't say that a cell contained that much information. He said the entire human genome does. This compression ratio has nothing tom do with intelligence however, it has far more to do with capability. We don't have to get more intelligent to achieve this ratio, we need to get more capable.

Hi Ringo, It seems tht DNA is found in living things. I can't find anyone who says hydrogen contains any information.Are you saying it does?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

They can actually do more than store information. For example, they can generate it. And a computer program computing information is ... (a) an intelligent designer (b) not an intelligent designer? There is no code in it to pay any attention to the information produced. You don't need code to ignore things, you need an absence of code to ignore things. But not exactly what happens in the real world, where population sizes are greater than 1 and selection operates. I love 'em. I'm a big fan of selection too. It seems to have been designed by a creationist as a tool to prevent people from understanding evolution, am I right?I wonder if it's ever fooled anyone.

No you aren't.

We do it better. So a base pair uses 64 atoms to store 2 bits, the Wisconsin array uses 20 atoms to store 1. (Note that here I'm being generous to you by only counting the atoms in the DNA, not the whole cell, which is the metric that you were using.)Seems we're smarter than that intelligent designer you're so fond of.Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

Wait ... are you saying that he's infinitely dense?

Hi Huntard, Which is contained in every human cell except sperm and eggs.The human genome is 3,000,000,000 base pairs. Since there are two copies in each cell there is 6,000,000,000 base pairs contained in each cell.That would double the information that could be stored in 1 gram of human cells. If we were more intelligent we would be more capable. But the knowledge or capability is far from the reach of mankind today.The intelligent designer was far more intelligent.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Nonsense, people who lived 100 years ago weren't less intelligent than people who live now, yet we can store data better than DNA does (see Dr. adequate's post), and they had to write everything on paper. Intelligence has nothing to do with capability. Quite, meaning that our intelligence is not the limiting factor. We did it better than him, so according to you, we are more intelligent.

A lot of molecules are found in living things. If that's your criterion, I'll alter my question slightly to, "Why wouldn't water contain information?" Don't be dishonest. You know very well what I've been saying all along: All molecules contain information in their structure. I'm asking you to explain why they wouldn't.To put it another way, if we can detect information in DNA, what is it specifically that we are detecting? What does it look like, specifically? If I showed you a small section of a DNA molecule under a powerful microscope alongside a small section of another molecule, how could you tell which was which? What does the information look like?

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