Did Mod cause the collapse of evcforum?

Most certainly: nayAnd to the thread question of

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Did Mod cause the collapse of evcforum?

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Again: nayLooking back at Moderation 14.0, it seems quite clear that it was Rrhain's usual bullshit that led up to admin's explosive response (tho' it was Berb's words that were the actual trigger.) Rrhain was repeatedly asked by various members to desist but he refused and continued in his childish sexually charged rant. His had one decent message that actually appeared constructive in its argumentation, and my one post in that thread was to give him kudos for it. But sadly, it was just one amongst his many others.Has the actual cull been expunged from the history? I can't find Brenna's comments to Percy that signalled the beginning of the cull-proper.

My vote: Nay
Not guilty

Oh that is too easy.We stayed on-topic and did not fight any admin/moderator request to stop.Being antagonistic toward a petulant childish display of personal animosity is not against the forum rules.

What you may not be aware of is the history of this forum, and the leniency shown to Faith for years. Meeting resistance to your views is not a forum rule, in fact, it's the only reason this forum exists. All that matters is the behavior, not that someone disagrees with you. Imagine that: On a forum entitled Evolution vs Creation, that evolutionists and creationists would clash. Who'd have thunk it?

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

Tally it up....So far that is 4 Nay's (not guilty), to 0 Yea's (guilty).

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

And of the rest of the community who, as I have said, do not give a flying flip about this whole mess, I think that silence speaks loud.

I have been coming here off and on for almost 5 years now. I don't know if that makes me any more or less a newbie or old timer than anyone else.One of the reason I have left for a while in the past was because of the vitriol from some former members. It seemed that fighting through the drama was not worth it to get to the meat of the discussions.I was pleasantly surprised when I returned this last time. There seems to be a marked improvement in the quality of debate. I think this has come from effective and at times aggressive moderating techniques.My biggest problems in the past was the free rein given to fundies in the past. This has mellowed some. We seem to have a more educated, more willing to produce data, fundie and creo population now. For example, Faith was given another chance(she had a melt down, but was given a chance). The others are reminded to stay on topic and to back their arguments. This is a huge improvement. Then we have newbies like slevesque. He is completely wrong all the time(ha ha), but his arguments tend to fairly well thought out.This is not a free for all forum. There are very precise rules. This is something that is rare. The Mods do a good job enforcing the rules. They are not perfect, but they are good. In the past I have been on the receiving end and thought I was unfairly treated. For the most part in hindsight they were doing what they were supposed to do.That Crash is still carrying this on after 3 years is amazing. Time to let it go.
I have checked out the other board. It didn't pull me in like this one. Maybe it is the color blue.I feel like I know the people here, for the most part I like the people here. There was no collapse. There may have been a refinement, but there was no collapse.I vote nay on all counts of the indictment.

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Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

A well-reasoned explanation. Thank you for your input

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"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

My vote is ...Mod is guilty.What is the point of having guilt if you cannot delegate it.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Hi all,I was there I have been on the receiving end of suspensions and banishments. Some by Mod.I deserved all of them.Therefore I vote nay on all counts of the indictment.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Crash said himself he was just dropping by for a moment. I think he wanted to reclaim the all time posting count, but with jar back, he will never get it.

Faith was extremely disruptive and was given a series of indefinite suspensions. Some lasting for months or longer. When she returned, things were OK for a while, but soon things would degrade into accusations of dishonesty, lying and other things that disrupt civil discussion. See Message 754. Percy could have simply indefinitely suspended her, but he came up with a compromise:

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I'm asking Faith to find a partner who shares her views, and she and that partner can only advocate positions they both share. In this way I hope to avoid the constant protests of "That's not what I said, you're all misunderstanding me," and also to avoid the advocacy of positions that make no sense to anyone, creationists included, because when Faith gets her dander up she won't back away from any position, no matter how ridiculous.

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She refused - Percy appreciated it was kind of an unreasonable request, but they discussed possible solutions and nothing worked. Can you find a forum which would be fairer? If you feel Dr. A or AzPaul are being problematic at any given time, you can take your concerns to Report discussion problems here: No.2. I can't remember either of them becoming so problematic that an indefinite suspension is merited - but Dr. A fairly regularly gets short suspensions which tends to serve as adequate reminders.We have, of late, allowed debate to take on a more 'rough and tumble' dynamic - with has its advantages and disadvantages. It certainly makes knowing where the line is more difficult.

I don't know what "OTT" stands for, but, yes, restrained. Again - it's not a personal vendetta against Mod, it's not a three year grudge, it's not about any of that. It's not emotional in any way, unlike your replies to me.It's just my judgement that he isn't qualified to moderate. I'm frequently wrong, and when I am, I admit it. There's literally nobody at EvC who has admitted being wrong as often as I have. Really, you can look it up.I don't admit to being wrong just because people say I'm wrong, but then, neither do you. But I have no trouble admitting my own errors, I've made countless posts where I've had to do just that. Some in this thread, even. Mod was actually right about some things and I was wrong, and where that's been the case I've been very forthright about saying so. Absolutely incorrect. I was right then, and subsequent events proved it. I'm sorry that you're unable to see it, but subsequent events are a matter of record and there's just no disputing that a crisis in moderator confidence occurred precisely as I had predicted at the time.

Pretty much sums it up. You know what. Whoopee, zippity doo dah. There ain't a damn thing you can do about it. You can bitch and moan all you want. At the end of the day he will still be a mod and you will look like a whiny bitch holding a 3 year grudge.I do not think you are a whiny bitch, but that is how you look. It is kind of tough to take this line seriously. Even if it is true, that isn't how it looks.When I used to be in management I used to always tell my employees that perception was very important. Even if they were honest and working hard, if they give the perception that they were not it was also a bad thing.You are causing people to have a negative perception of you. Whether your denials are true or not, it does not matter. You have caused people to have the negative perception.

Hi crash, There was several people who agreed with you then.Some of the same people who agreed with you then still do.Those that disagreed with you then still do.So get over it.Chalk it up to a difference of opinions.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."