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Panda Member (Idle past 3735 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
To avoid massive posts, I'll pick one point at a time...
Just being real writes:
These surface imprints are common? Well, so are floods. But have you ever considered the fact that in most of these strata layers, "surface imprints" which have been fossilized, are common? Features like ripple patterns, animal tracks and rain drop impressions? Under usual conditions these features are quickly destroyed by normal erosion and life. In order for these types of impressions to be preserved, the next sediment layer must be laid down very fast, and the next layer, and the next, and so forth.You have provided an argument that areas of land are often flooded. I doubt anyone would argue against that. Please explain why these features were not preserved by the normal localised flooding that we still see happening today.Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3735 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Coyote writes:
You are trying to have an honest debate with a dishonest debater. I quoted no texts. It is a waste of your time. Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner.Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3735 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Just being real writes:
This appears to be taken from http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/Liquefaction6.html ...there is no rapid burial with a source of gentle blanketing sediments all mixed with cementing agents, without which trace fossils cannot be preserved.quote:If this is a claim that local flooding is not rapid enough and doesn't contain the required sediment then I can find no evidence to support this claim. .. Just being real writes:
This appears to be taken from http://creation.com/hundreds-of-jellyfish-fossils Ripples can only be preserved when covered by a different type of sediment. For example ripples in coarse sand were overlain by a finer silty sand and red oxidized mud.quote:I can find no evidence to support this claim. .. Just being real writes:
This appears to be taken from http://creation.com/hundreds-of-jellyfish-fossils Multiple layers of ripples, and the variations observed in their alignments between the layers indicates they were laid down by sediment laying currents of varying strength and therefore producing the variation in particle sizes between layers that we observe.quote:This is unconnected to whether a flood was global or not. .. Just being real writes: I see no evidence to support this conclusion. The typical local flood events just don't produce these kinds of features.If you could provide some evidence to back up these claims I would be very interested. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3735 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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JBR writes:
A negative statement can be proven. Your asking me to provide evidence for something that does "not" occur? This would be similar to me expecting someone to provide evidence to support the claim that God does not exist. A negative statement cannot be proven, it can only be dis-proven.If I asked you to prove that a cat does not go "woof" every time you hit it - it would only require 1 cat and a stick to prove that negative statement true. You have claimed that localised flooding doesn't create ripples.How do you know? What research has been done to show this is true? JBR writes:
They are your claims. This is meant to be your evidence. You need to substantiate your claims. That means if you know of just one example that shows how normal flood conditions (not catastrophic events like a 4 or above VEI volcano) could produce fossilized surface ripples, then I'd love to here it.If all you are doing is saying that you have a hypothesis that localised flooding doesn't cause ripples, then fine. But a hypothesis in not evidence. p.s.If you accept that volcanoes create ripples - how do you know which ripples are caused by a global flood and which are caused by volcanoes? {abe} After Percy's comments about focussing on your strongest evidence first: I am happy to abandon this line of discussion and switch to another if that is what you would prefer. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3735 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Just being real writes:
But you said:
My statement in post 152 started with "My understanding is..." thereby implying that to the best of my knowledge it was true. Not that I had knowledge of the fossils left by every single flood that ever occurred in the entire universe. I know when I make a negative statement that I am only basing it on my own limited knowledge, and all it takes is one example otherwise by someone to disprove it.quote:How do you know this? If you are just making an unfounded statement or putting forward your hypothesis then that is not evidence.You said you had evidence, but the quote above is just an unsubstantiated claim. Please show the evidence. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3735 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Just being real writes:
This is fine. I make no secret that I am riding on the shoulders of much greater men than I who have much more knowledge than I in those fields. We all stand on the shoulders of someone. But I would have expected these great men to have shown their working. Where is their evidence? Just being real writes:
If I was to claim that there is no life on Mars, then that would not be evidence. Again Panda, it is a negative statement, and if you know it is false, all it would take is one example to demonstrate so. Someone would have to go search for life on Mars before I could claim to have evidence of there being no life on Mars. So, do you have any links to any research?Or is it just a bare assertion? Because so far you have not supplied any evidence. Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3735 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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JBR writes: ...but a side note, I find it interesting that you so easily wave away the fact that artificially produced petroleum does in fact demonstrate that it does not require large amounts of time. Pressie writes: Those products we produce are neither coal beds nor oil deposits. They are substitutes for oil. Even the chemistry differs widely from naturally forming oil.Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3735 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Taking your time and making a well thought-out post is to be applauded.
Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.
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Panda Member (Idle past 3735 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
JBR writes:
I see no reference to kettle bottoms piercing through several layers. Fossils of single living organisms such as trees (AKA Polystrate fossils) are commonly found piercing through several layers of these strata. These tree fossils (AKA kettlebottoms in mining) are so common in coal beds that they are even a real danger to miners who have been injured or killed by them dislodging and falling on them. They are common enough that in 2000 they came up for review by the Federal Mine Safety and Health Review Commission. And I even found an article as recent as 2007 in which one fell and killed Brent Reynolds in a mine in Kentucky. I see references to them being found in mines and that they are dangerous. But I see no statements regarding your claim: "are commonly found piercing through several layers of these strata."This completely undermines the rest of your post. p.s.I see you have a lot of replies. I'd rather wait for a reply - or not see one at all - than have a rushed answer that contains mistakes (solely due to rushing). Remember: this is not a race. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given.Always remember: QUIDQUID LATINE DICTUM SIT ALTUM VIDITUR Science flies you into space; religion flies you into buildings.
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