Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 65 (9162 total)
2 online now:
Newest Member: popoi
Post Volume: Total: 915,819 Year: 3,076/9,624 Month: 921/1,588 Week: 104/223 Day: 2/13 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Did Jesus betray Judas?
Huntard
Member (Idle past 2296 days)
Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
Joined: 09-02-2008


Message 61 of 64 (564091)
06-08-2010 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
06-08-2010 6:44 AM


Re: The historical Jesus
Jumped Up Chimpanzee writes:
I don't want to get too side-tracked on this but, just to be clear, what was this perfect entitiy they envisioned that was something different than God of the Bible?
They called it "Pleroma" (meaning fullness) and "Godhead". I'd check out the Wiki page on Gnosticism. I think that should answer most of your questions.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 60 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee, posted 06-08-2010 6:44 AM Jumped Up Chimpanzee has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 62 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee, posted 06-08-2010 9:15 AM Huntard has seen this message but not replied

  
Jumped Up Chimpanzee
Member (Idle past 4942 days)
Posts: 572
From: UK
Joined: 10-22-2009


Message 62 of 64 (564101)
06-08-2010 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by Huntard
06-08-2010 7:34 AM


Gnostics & Judas
They called it "Pleroma" (meaning fullness) and "Godhead". I'd check out the Wiki page on Gnosticism. I think that should answer most of your questions.
Thanks for that. Maybe we can analyse that view at a later date but I'd like to leave the Gnostics on the back-burner for the moment so that we don't get distracted from concentrating on the mainstream Christian views concerning Judas' betrayal, and whether or not it makes any sense.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 61 by Huntard, posted 06-08-2010 7:34 AM Huntard has seen this message but not replied

  
Hawkins
Member (Idle past 1374 days)
Posts: 150
From: Hong Kong
Joined: 08-25-2005


Message 63 of 64 (564356)
06-10-2010 5:33 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Phage0070
06-04-2010 10:23 AM


Re: Interesting.....
quote:
See now, that is a big theological problem. How can someone be held responsible for breaking a law they don't know about or understand?
Since when the human legal/law system makes sure everyone understands law well in order to sentence? Do you mean that human legal system is in total failure? Get a clue!
Edited by Hawkins, : No reason given.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 14 by Phage0070, posted 06-04-2010 10:23 AM Phage0070 has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 64 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee, posted 06-10-2010 8:48 AM Hawkins has not replied

  
Jumped Up Chimpanzee
Member (Idle past 4942 days)
Posts: 572
From: UK
Joined: 10-22-2009


Message 64 of 64 (564396)
06-10-2010 8:48 AM
Reply to: Message 63 by Hawkins
06-10-2010 5:33 AM


Re: Interesting.....
Since when the human legal/law system makes sure everyone understands law well in order to sentence? Do you mean that human legal system is in total failure? Get a clue!
There is a big difference between human legal law and "God's law".
Sure, most people don't know the full details of human legal laws. But in modern societies those laws are written down and it is clearly noted when they were written, when they were amended, and by whom. We can all refer directly to the laws if we want to, and there is no dispute as to what the laws state. The only dispute may be how the words are interpreted. But that's why we have judges.
"God's law" is pure hearsay. If God and his laws really exist, why doesn't he reveal himself properly, give each human a copy of his laws, and in the case of any dispute appear as a judge of absolute authority? If we humble human beings can work out things like that, why can't he? It's pretty obvious that even if he exists, he's an idiot and doesn't deserve any attention, let alone our obedience.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 63 by Hawkins, posted 06-10-2010 5:33 AM Hawkins has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024