My Encounter With Allah, Fox News and possibly the CIA.

In the case of UFOs yes I believe they are witnessing something real, although I don't thnk they are visitors from other planets. And there you have it.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So you must believe in UFOs, ETs, leprechauns, Horus, Apollo, psychics, spoonbenders, mermaids, Bigfoot, etc.Or, perhaps what you really mean by similarity of testimony is its similarity to the things that you already believe in. This is called confirmation bias.

1) How can you tell which mental illnesses are demonic and which are not?2) If mental illness is caused by demonic forces, why do anti-psychotic medications work?3) If mental illness is caused by demonic forces, why do exorcisms not work?4) Why should we believe that mental illness is caused by "demonic" influence, if all you can say is "these other people say so?" Whio are they? Why should we give credence to their words? What evidence supports their testimony?

Thank you. You have just validated every single religion ever. Ever.

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"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan"Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu

UFOs are demonic manifestations of some sort.ETs are demons or similar beings. Reports of encounters make that clear.The "gods" are also demons.There is such a thing as psychic power; if real it's usually caused by demons. It's also quite fakable too of course.Spoonbenders I don't know. Demons can manifest physically in some ways. Various Hindu gurus have been able to manifest some things physically, usually trivia, trinkets. Spoonbending probably not too difficult if you're in touch with the right demons.Have no idea what mermaids are or what the testimony is to them, or bigfoot either.

Anything with hallucinations is probably influenced by demons. I don't know but I had a schizophrenic brother who killed himself when they changed him from one anti-psychotic med to another. He always said he had voices telling him to do things. We'll never know but a voice probably told him to kill himself. I didn't say all were caused by demons, and I would never recommend an exorcism to a nonChristian, and there are plenty of fake or just unknowledgable exorcists. The person has to be willing to change anyway -- the reason demons gain access is because of false beliefs and sinful lives. The testimony was to their existence, period. Not to their role in mental illness. As far as I know little or nothing has ever been done in relation to possible demonic causes of mental illness.

So, to summarize.If anyone under any circumstances says they see something, you believe they actually see something. If what they say they see is inconsistent with your preconceived ideas, you simply attribute it to demons. The only basis for this attribution is because it's inconsistent with what you believe, the internal consistency of their reports or the level of their credibility has nothing to do with it. Your reinterpretation also has nothing to do with evidence that may or may not support their claims.Do I have this accurate? If not, please explain where I misunderstand.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas JeffersonFor we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Hi Matt, So how does Megyn having a similar event that you did tell Fox News anything about you? Still not logical but understandable. So if it was a divine sign you were the only one who saw her put her hands in the praying hands position.My question is what do you think it is a sign of? No.I can see no relation of hands in the praying hands position and hands taping of the roof of a car other than hands was involved in both events. It is not possible for you to hear something and someone 3 feet from you not to hear the same thing in the real world.So on what basis do you conclude that it was real? God truly has chosen all mankind for a higher calling in this life. He calls everyone to repentance and salvation. Then to a dedicated life letting Him live through you as Paul said for me to live is Christ. Others could see Christ in the life of Paul.From your words I gather you have had many experiences.Have you ever experienced the new birth as described in John the 3rd chapter. I know you have experienced the natural water birth that all humans experience or we could not have this conversation.But have you ever been born again of the Spirit of God? Nothing or nobody made you do anything.You chose to take your grandmothers car without permission. Are you sure you just didn't feel entitled and just ignored the law?How do you know your grandmother would not have let you use her car? Careful now I am a grandparent as well as a great grandparent. In all my dealings with people and the law I have never known of a case where someone pleading NGRI was released without evaluation, trial, and further treatment. Sounds to me like you were just stupid not insane. Time did not exist until God divided the light and dark periods into a day. Then mankind decided what to set as the length of a day, month and year.God is eternal and only exists in the now as He is not constrained by time as we are. Here is the link to one of my threads expressing my position of the creation debate. Message 1I am just a fellow traveler on a journey from my birth to my eternal destiny. It is my duty to help others along the way who are seeking guidance and help. By helping others I am also helping myself.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Why do you say that?It's very well-known that we can induce hallucination with medication, no demons required. LSD does it, peyote can cause hallucinations, and there are far more.If hallucinations can be the result of purely chemical causes as in the case of those drugs, why then must hallucinations in mentally ill individuals be caused by demons rather than a physical problem in the brain? When additional medications relieve the hallucinations so long as the afflicted individual continues to take the medication, doesn't that corroborate the hypothesis that hallucinations in the mentally ill are the result of physical abnormalities like a chemical imbalance, rather than a supernatural demon?

Those drugs are used in shamanistic religions and there is some question whether it is the chemicals alone or the demonic influence associated with the drugs' use that causes the hallucinations. Demon lore has it that they associate themselves with certain places and substances so they'd just follow the drugs to the new users.In the OP, the buzzing noise and the orange flash are phenomena I've seen reported of demonic enounters in other circumstances. Also read Jacques Vallee on UFO appearances, some of which are characterized by similar phenomena. He argues that they are not extraterrestricals but some sort of spiritual deception, and he's not even a Christian. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Guysguys....Guys......I just took a dump and I saw jesus' face in it. Then, it jumped out and talked to me. It told me that those who hath beg to be forgivethed, he forgiveth, just ask that he forgiveth you (jesus' exact words). That's it guys, just ask that he forgiveth you and all will be well. I am saved. I saw the light. It was the most surreal thing ever. I can't believe I didn't believe in jesus all along.I am being very serious right now. Seriously.

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"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan"Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu

LSD is not used for ritual purposes - it was created relatively recently.Peyote was simply one other example, and its use is not restricted to religious purposes.You are claiming, then, that even though these drugs cause hallucinations, it's simply because demons follow the drugs? Like LSD molecules are actually little demonic gateways?...You really seem to be reaching, Faith. We have ironclad evidence that chemical substances cause hallucinations regardless of the religious leanings of the individual taking them. We have further evidence that mentally ill individuals suffering from hallucinations can be treated with medication.The reasonsble conclusion is that chemicals imbibed by a person can affect their brain. This is even further backed up by monitoring brain activity when these sorts of drugs are administered.You're turning this whole "demonic influence" bit into yet another unfalsifiable unsupported assertion: hallucinations are supposedly caused by demons, something we cannot see or detect, and anything else like chemical influences that seems to have an effect on either causing or relieving hallucinations is attributed to still more demonic activity.So I'll ask again: why on Earth should anyone believe what you're saying here? Occam's Razor suggests that, if the phenomenon of hallucinations can be explained just as well with the assertion of demonic causes as it can without, and there is no additional evidence suggesting demonic forces, then the explanation that does not assert the unsupported extraneous factor is to be preferred.By the exact same reasoning you're using, I could claim that hallucinations are all the result of direct communication with the Flying Spaghetti Monster, that taking hallucinogenics is a form of inviting his noodly presence, and that anti-psychotics work because they ask him to back off. Such a scenario is similarly unsupported and unnecessary, yet fits just as well with reality as your imagined demons.I would suggest that the logical answer is that hallucinations are not supernatural in origin, but are rather the result of aberrant brain activity which can be caused by natural chemical imbalances and dysfunction as in the case of the mentally ill, or can be artificially induced by the introduction of foreign chemicals into the body.I would suggest that your assertions about demons are nothing more than irrational nonsense.

But you won't entertain the possibility that they are due to out-of-balance brain chemistry? There were no demons ever sighted around the bowling alley in Bentonville. Arkansas, in the late 60's, but LSD gave me very nice hallucinations out in the parking lot. Purely synthetic LSD, devoid of shamanism.Faith, why do antipsychotic drugs work much of the time? Does ziprasidone repel demons?

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

Hi, Natural_Design. As a general rule, things that stupid people understand better than smart people are usually not very useful in the real world.I suppose that isn't really a problem for you, though, given your opinion of the real world.

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-Bluejay (a.k.a. Mantis, Thylacosmilus)Darwin loves you.

Thanks for sharing that, Coragyps. My friends and I will mention him before God in our prayers.

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