My Encounter With Allah, Fox News and possibly the CIA.

Are you old enough to remember David Berkowitz, (aka) Son Of Sam who's now serving a life sentence? When he went to person, he was so diabolically evil that even the guards feared him. A number of years ago he was born again of the Jehovah's Holy Spirit, i.e. converted to Christ and ever since he's been a model prisoner who never expects or wants parole and who is known in prison for helping the invalid prisoners, etc. James Dobson aired a 2 session interview with him. A former prosecutor who heard about his conversion was skeptical until he came to see for himself that such a change could be effected in this formerly hateful man. He said as soon as he saw him he knew he was changed since the former hate in this man could be seen in his countenance.Of course the diabolical things that appear to be evidenced in some humans, is just one more evidence for the Biblical record, the existence of good and evil entities of a higher intelligence than humans and as evidence of evil spirits, both evil (demon) and good (Holy Spirit) capable of entering into the very minds and bodys of humans.So there, my friend, there's the logical and evidenced explanation for the otherwise unexplicable mystical realm which is so evident in human cultures. Edited by Buzsaw, : Add title

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Subbie, LoL. When it comes to anything suggesting an intelligence superior to the earth planet human level, the science types here at EvC wouldn't acknowledge evidence if they were knee deep wading in it.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

We are knee deep wading in it. And all of it suggests that supernatural intervention is unlikely (to say the least).

The fact that you think there's been evidence of superior intelligence presented here says more about your intelligence than anything else.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas JeffersonFor we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Yes, he claimed the his dog made him do it. Yeah, I heard. There is no evidence, whatsoever, that "evil entitites of higher intelligence" exist. You just have people who have done horrific things and people of religious persuasion claiming that the devil made them do it. That in no way proves anything other than pure speculation.To completely contradict your previous statement, I give you Dennis Rader, otherwise known as B.T.K. (Bind, Torture, Kill), brutally massacred, as his pseudonym implies, 10 people in Witchita all while being a pastor at his church. Yet, no one knew of his dark ways, let alone the anointed people in his church. So what does that tell you?I suspect A No True Scotsman fallacy coming.

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"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston

Yes there is. You thought you had tuned into ESPN. But actually you had tuned into Fox.Then it all makes sense

There's plenty of testimony to demon spirits from both the practitioners of shamanistic religions and from Christians who have encountered demon spirits, not to mention scripture which reports on them and is evidence too, but you will deny such testimony, discredit the witnesses as crazy just as you always do and confirm your own prejudice BY your prejudice, and since the spirits are normally invisible (although they can manifest physically in some cases) there's no other kind of evidence. So you can maintain your illusion indefinitely, unless God permits a demon spirit to manifest to you personally. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

On what basis do we conclude that these phenomenon were caused by evil spirits rather than fluctuations in the Matrix? For example.

FWIW, I spent much of Saturday two weeks ago listening to my grown son talking along the same lines as the OP here. He spent the week after at a psychiatric facility and is doing better now. Still very religious, but other than that, he doesn't seem delusional much.

There's plenty of testimony for millions of things that you don't believe in. What standards do you use to decide whether to believe someone's testimony or not?

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas JeffersonFor we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

And you wonder why you get mocked.......You have been told what constitutes as evidence, yet you continue to bring contrite hot gahbage.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

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"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan"Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu

Ever try psilocybin? It's an indole alkaloid, not a demon or even a Power of the Air. It can get you to a pretty respectable level of hallucinatory experience, Faith.And I asked a while back: how does ziprasidone work?
a) Ziprasidone repels demons
b) Ziprasidone alters brain chemistry
c) both of the above

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"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD

I can't imagine how difficult and painful that must have been for you.I do hope everything turns out all right for you and for him.

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas JeffersonFor we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

There's also been plenty of testimony to flying saucers and bigfoot too. Does that make it so? The people claiming it are usually just ignorant, not crazy. The people they claim are demon possessed are the crazy ones. They don't know how to rationally explain it so they make up elaborate stories just like you are doing.

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"Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston

Consistency, similarity of testimony, many witnesses to same kind of phenomena, etc.