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frako
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Message 391 of 427 (727905)
05-21-2014 3:34 PM


VOTE FOR THE PIRATE PARTY !!!!

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.

  
Dr Adequate
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Message 392 of 427 (727906)
05-21-2014 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 384 by AZPaul3
05-17-2011 9:35 PM


Re: Coalition Conundrum
Well, the British system is very different from the American system.
Parliament has to approve the bills, or they won't get passed. But (more or less) it is the job of the Government (the executive branch) to propose the bills. That's what the Government is: it's a group of people who can promise Her Majesty The Queen that if they propose a bill, it will get passed. They make this promise because they have done a deal with a majority of the members of Parliament that if they (the Government) propose a bill, then they (the Members of Parliament) will pass it.
For example, it is not even conceivable that the Parliament could propose their own Budget and pass that; rather, it's the job of the Government to propose a Budget that the Parliament will pass. This is very different from the American way of doing things.
If the Government can't get its bills past Parliament, then they have failed in their one job. In that case, the Queen asks someone else if they can form a new Government that can get a majority in Parliament; if that's not possible, then they have to call a general election and see if they can do it after that.
So if the Lib Dems bumped Clegg off the Lib Dem leadership, he might keep his position in the Government (which is not technically dependent on his leadership in the party, they could make me Deputy Prime Minister if they wanted to), or the Government might sack him from it. The real question would be, would the Government then be able to put together enough Conservative and Lib Dem votes in Parliament to pass their bills? Now that's what the Lib Dems can do --- they can decide that they will stop voting with the Conservatives, at which point the Government will collapse.
Any questions?

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AZPaul3
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Message 393 of 427 (727928)
05-21-2014 7:10 PM
Reply to: Message 392 by Dr Adequate
05-21-2014 4:00 PM


Re: Coalition Conundrum
From this side, where day to day nuances are not reported, this coalition seems to be going well. It has held together longer than I expected. What's the inside buzz from your side?
Personally, I think you would make a right fine Deputy PM.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 394 of 427 (727930)
05-21-2014 7:15 PM
Reply to: Message 393 by AZPaul3
05-21-2014 7:10 PM


Re: Coalition Conundrum
I'm not on my side, I'm on your side. Ask me what I think of Brian Sandoval.

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AZPaul3
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Message 395 of 427 (727938)
05-21-2014 8:00 PM
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05-21-2014 7:15 PM


Re: Coalition Conundrum
I'm not on my side, I'm on your side.
oops. Well, there goes your chance to be deputy PM.
Hey, btw, whaddya think of this Sandoval character?
Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

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Modulous
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Message 396 of 427 (727939)
05-21-2014 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 393 by AZPaul3
05-21-2014 7:10 PM


Re: Coalition Conundrum
What's the inside buzz from your side?
They seem to be at each other throats in one capacity or another just about every week.
The Lib Dems get scolded by half the country for bending to the Tories, or the other half for endangering the coalition when they try to assert their own policies or what have you.
The latest spat seems to be about funding Free Schools (Not schools characterized by not charging (although they don't) but by not being controlled by a Local Authority) and allegations too much money is being taken away from other schools to do so.
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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AZPaul3
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Message 397 of 427 (727941)
05-21-2014 8:48 PM
Reply to: Message 396 by Modulous
05-21-2014 8:10 PM


Re: Coalition Conundrum
These kinds of spats, I take it, have been going on more or less for the past 4 years and yet the coalition has held. Are they hanging on by their finger nails or is this government more stable than it appears? The LibDems not having pulled themselves up in the by-elections seems a good motivation to stay the course. And I could imagine both sides fearing a Labour rally if they split, yes?

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Modulous
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Message 398 of 427 (728036)
05-22-2014 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 397 by AZPaul3
05-21-2014 8:48 PM


Re: Coalition Conundrum
These kinds of spats, I take it, have been going on more or less for the past 4 years and yet the coalition has held. Are they hanging on by their finger nails or is this government more stable than it appears?
I get the sense that the stability is in part to the long term ambitions of the Lib Dems. If they collapse the government, they'd likely be blamed in part for it and lose votes. They are the eternal third party and are constantly looking to build on voter momentum. I expect they will play ball until the General Election and then they'll tell us all about the Conservative plans they foiled.
And I could imagine both sides fearing a Labour rally if they split, yes?
Frankly, yes. Sort of. The Lib Dems are actually closer allies to the Labour party than they are to the Conservative party. I'm pretty sure the best case scenario in many of their minds is a Labour-Lib Dem coalition, which wasn't really plausible with the previous results.
The Conservatives want a bigger share, so they are in all manner of dilemmas when it comes to figuring out how to do that.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 399 of 427 (728037)
05-22-2014 3:38 PM
Reply to: Message 395 by AZPaul3
05-21-2014 8:00 PM


Re: Coalition Conundrum
Hey, btw, whaddya think of this Sandoval character?
Maybe you were asking this as a joke. But what the hey, I'll tell you anyway.
He was the first Republican governor in the whole country to say that he'd sign up for the Medicaid extension provided by Obamacare. And he said that he wouldn't lift a finger to support the NV ban on gay marriage. He's exactly the sort of Republican a moderate like me would vote for, which is in fact why he got elected Governor of a "purple state" when the same state voted for Obama for President.
Anyway, back to the UK ...

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AZPaul3
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Message 400 of 427 (728041)
05-22-2014 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 398 by Modulous
05-22-2014 3:14 PM


Re: Coalition Conundrum
...until the General Election ...
Then on to May '15. Thanks Mod.

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AZPaul3
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Message 401 of 427 (728042)
05-22-2014 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 399 by Dr Adequate
05-22-2014 3:38 PM


Re: Coalition Conundrum
Maybe you were asking this as a joke.
No. I asked because you asked me to ask. Any Nevadan who might end up as Deputy PM of the UK is not one to be trifled with.

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Larni
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Message 402 of 427 (728057)
05-23-2014 4:51 AM
Reply to: Message 398 by Modulous
05-22-2014 3:14 PM


Re: Coalition Conundrum
The Conservatives want a bigger share, so they are in all manner of dilemmas when it comes to figuring out how to do that.
The Tories are a bit buggered I 'reckon'. They have to throw the libs some bones but they also don't want the more right wing voters turning their coats to UKIP (boo hiss).
Personally I hate the libs because they took the Tory shilling, the Tories because they are a bunch of Toffs and UKIP because a nice coat of paint on a racist still leaves you with a racist.

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Message 403 of 427 (728058)
05-23-2014 5:48 AM
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05-23-2014 4:51 AM


Re: Coalition Conundrum
We have to be really careful how to play things at the moment mate - if Cameron gets too bloody a nose, he might get ousted, leaving the door open for Boris Johnson to become leader (or, dear lord, PM) :-/
(For non-UK readers who don't know him, Boris Johnson is currently the conservative Mayor of London, is comically upper class (calls table tennis Wiff Waff etc) and stands an outside chance of leading our country. The best description I've heard of him is "the thinking man's idiot").

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 404 of 427 (728071)
05-23-2014 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 401 by AZPaul3
05-22-2014 4:28 PM


Re: Coalition Conundrum
No. I asked because you asked me to ask. Any Nevadan who might end up as Deputy PM of the UK is not one to be trifled with.
True, I might one day rise to a position of almost-relevance. Don't mess with me.

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Modulous
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Message 405 of 427 (728086)
05-23-2014 2:38 PM
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05-23-2014 5:48 AM


POTUS - Boris
...leaving the door open for Boris Johnson to become leader (or, dear lord, PM) ....For non-UK readers who don't know him, Boris Johnson is currently the conservative Mayor of London, is comically upper class (calls table tennis Wiff Waff etc) and stands an outside chance of leading our country.
In theory he could become US President in 2028 or later.
Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.

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