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frako Member (Idle past 305 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined:
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VOTE FOR THE PIRATE PARTY !!!!
Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that. |
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Well, the British system is very different from the American system.
Parliament has to approve the bills, or they won't get passed. But (more or less) it is the job of the Government (the executive branch) to propose the bills. That's what the Government is: it's a group of people who can promise Her Majesty The Queen that if they propose a bill, it will get passed. They make this promise because they have done a deal with a majority of the members of Parliament that if they (the Government) propose a bill, then they (the Members of Parliament) will pass it. For example, it is not even conceivable that the Parliament could propose their own Budget and pass that; rather, it's the job of the Government to propose a Budget that the Parliament will pass. This is very different from the American way of doing things. If the Government can't get its bills past Parliament, then they have failed in their one job. In that case, the Queen asks someone else if they can form a new Government that can get a majority in Parliament; if that's not possible, then they have to call a general election and see if they can do it after that. So if the Lib Dems bumped Clegg off the Lib Dem leadership, he might keep his position in the Government (which is not technically dependent on his leadership in the party, they could make me Deputy Prime Minister if they wanted to), or the Government might sack him from it. The real question would be, would the Government then be able to put together enough Conservative and Lib Dem votes in Parliament to pass their bills? Now that's what the Lib Dems can do --- they can decide that they will stop voting with the Conservatives, at which point the Government will collapse. Any questions?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
From this side, where day to day nuances are not reported, this coalition seems to be going well. It has held together longer than I expected. What's the inside buzz from your side?
Personally, I think you would make a right fine Deputy PM.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
I'm not on my side, I'm on your side. Ask me what I think of Brian Sandoval.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
I'm not on my side, I'm on your side. oops. Well, there goes your chance to be deputy PM. Hey, btw, whaddya think of this Sandoval character? Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
What's the inside buzz from your side? They seem to be at each other throats in one capacity or another just about every week. The Lib Dems get scolded by half the country for bending to the Tories, or the other half for endangering the coalition when they try to assert their own policies or what have you. The latest spat seems to be about funding Free Schools (Not schools characterized by not charging (although they don't) but by not being controlled by a Local Authority) and allegations too much money is being taken away from other schools to do so. Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
These kinds of spats, I take it, have been going on more or less for the past 4 years and yet the coalition has held. Are they hanging on by their finger nails or is this government more stable than it appears? The LibDems not having pulled themselves up in the by-elections seems a good motivation to stay the course. And I could imagine both sides fearing a Labour rally if they split, yes?
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined:
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These kinds of spats, I take it, have been going on more or less for the past 4 years and yet the coalition has held. Are they hanging on by their finger nails or is this government more stable than it appears? I get the sense that the stability is in part to the long term ambitions of the Lib Dems. If they collapse the government, they'd likely be blamed in part for it and lose votes. They are the eternal third party and are constantly looking to build on voter momentum. I expect they will play ball until the General Election and then they'll tell us all about the Conservative plans they foiled.
And I could imagine both sides fearing a Labour rally if they split, yes? Frankly, yes. Sort of. The Lib Dems are actually closer allies to the Labour party than they are to the Conservative party. I'm pretty sure the best case scenario in many of their minds is a Labour-Lib Dem coalition, which wasn't really plausible with the previous results. The Conservatives want a bigger share, so they are in all manner of dilemmas when it comes to figuring out how to do that.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Hey, btw, whaddya think of this Sandoval character? Maybe you were asking this as a joke. But what the hey, I'll tell you anyway. He was the first Republican governor in the whole country to say that he'd sign up for the Medicaid extension provided by Obamacare. And he said that he wouldn't lift a finger to support the NV ban on gay marriage. He's exactly the sort of Republican a moderate like me would vote for, which is in fact why he got elected Governor of a "purple state" when the same state voted for Obama for President. Anyway, back to the UK ...
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
...until the General Election ... Then on to May '15. Thanks Mod.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Maybe you were asking this as a joke. No. I asked because you asked me to ask. Any Nevadan who might end up as Deputy PM of the UK is not one to be trifled with.
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Larni Member (Idle past 164 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
The Conservatives want a bigger share, so they are in all manner of dilemmas when it comes to figuring out how to do that. The Tories are a bit buggered I 'reckon'. They have to throw the libs some bones but they also don't want the more right wing voters turning their coats to UKIP (boo hiss). Personally I hate the libs because they took the Tory shilling, the Tories because they are a bunch of Toffs and UKIP because a nice coat of paint on a racist still leaves you with a racist.The above ontological example models the zero premise to BB theory. It does so by applying the relative uniformity assumption that the alleged zero event eventually ontologically progressed from the compressed alleged sub-microscopic chaos to bloom/expand into all of the present observable order, more than it models the Biblical record evidence for the existence of Jehovah, the maximal Biblical god designer. -Attributed to Buzsaw Message 53 The explain to them any scientific investigation that explains the existence of things qualifies as science and as an explanation-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 286 Does a query (thats a question Stile) that uses this physical reality, to look for an answer to its existence and properties become theoretical, considering its deductive conclusions are based against objective verifiable realities.-Attributed to Dawn Bertot Message 134
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vimesey Member Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined: |
We have to be really careful how to play things at the moment mate - if Cameron gets too bloody a nose, he might get ousted, leaving the door open for Boris Johnson to become leader (or, dear lord, PM) :-/
(For non-UK readers who don't know him, Boris Johnson is currently the conservative Mayor of London, is comically upper class (calls table tennis Wiff Waff etc) and stands an outside chance of leading our country. The best description I've heard of him is "the thinking man's idiot").Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 284 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
No. I asked because you asked me to ask. Any Nevadan who might end up as Deputy PM of the UK is not one to be trifled with. True, I might one day rise to a position of almost-relevance. Don't mess with me.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
...leaving the door open for Boris Johnson to become leader (or, dear lord, PM) ....For non-UK readers who don't know him, Boris Johnson is currently the conservative Mayor of London, is comically upper class (calls table tennis Wiff Waff etc) and stands an outside chance of leading our country. In theory he could become US President in 2028 or later. Edited by Modulous, : No reason given.
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