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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
We should have used to av to dtermine which out 5 or 6 voting systems is preferred. I voted yes, but I only marginally prefer AV.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Mod writes: We should have used to av to dtermine which out 5 or 6 voting systems is preferred. That would have been a really really good idea. And a genuinely good use of AV. Oh well.
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Tram law Member (Idle past 4704 days) Posts: 283 From: Weed, California, USA Joined: |
Of course, Americans are superior and the whole world should just assimilate into American culture.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined:
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Tram writes: Of course, Americans are superior and the whole world should just assimilate into American culture. Alas much of the world seems to unthinkingly agree.....
Tram writes: 3... 2... 1.... (**sizzle**) True world domination is with a smile and a burger rather than a bang.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 612 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
True world domination is with a smile and a burger rather than a bang. It could be both, if you go to the Big Bang Burger Bar.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1024 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
quote: This one's just an unqualified lie. They elaborate:
The change to AV will cost up to an additional £250 million. Local councils would have to waste money on costly electronic vote counting machines and expensive voter education campaigns Or you could pay £20 to an unemployed IT guy to make you something in Microsoft Office that can calculate the results, and tell people to list their candidates in order of preference. Incidentally for any foreigns interested, the No vote won by a depressingly huge margin. No electoral reform for the foreseeable future.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
This one's just an unqualified lie. The other two are also deceptive. Unusual, since there are some reasonable arguments for first past the post and against AV - but the NO campaign went with FUD instead. An unfortunately effective tactic of course - and probably one that Cameron imagined when he agreed to the referrendum in exchange for the PMs house.
Or you could pay 20 to an unemployed IT guy to make you something in Microsoft Office that can calculate the results, and tell people to list their candidates in order of preference. The expenses aren't just in the people, but the software. They were implying that in order to count the votes in a timely fashion specific and secure OCR machines would need to be used. This isn't necessarily true, though it is likely they would be brought in at some point anyway. Remember, even using a simple system like you propose probably involves huundreds of thousands of pounds worth of licencing to set it up nationally (if not millions).
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Are the Lib Dems assigning themselves to electoral oblivion by signing up with the tories? Or are they astutely playing the long game whereby coalition government becomes the norm?
AV defeat was obviously a blow to the Lib Dems but before (and including) the last general election Britain was looking like an increasingly 3 party place. Is coalition government the likely future or just a current situation no more or less likley to occur again than it ever has?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Is coalition government the likely future or just a current situation no more or less likley to occur again than it ever has? Who knows? The history of British coalition governments is kind of sparse. Coalitions only seem to come into being as a result of some national emergency. The ongoing financial crisis of present being as good an excuse as any. I have not kept up with the state of GB's economy. In the US it still sucks. If this is the same in England then maybe the coalition will last a while longer. It seems that coalition governments over there fall apart when the emergency is over. My, admittedly meager and cursory, reading of the present situation is that this AV vote thing has badly hurt the LibDems, 3rd party prospects in general and Nick Clegg specifically. I wouldn't expect a string of coalition governments in England's future. A technical question, please. Mr. Clegg is playing the good partner, at present, and is operating well within the coalition. This seems to have angered many of his LibDem members, such that there is talk of giving him the boot. If Clegg were to lose his leadership position in the party, would that end the coalition? Or is the LibDem party part of the coalition, with its new leader taking over as Deputy PM? How would that work? Would there be a "no-confidence" vote in the parliament?
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
As I understand it the coalition agreement is between the two parties and not (in theory) dependent on any particular leader of either party being in place. If Clegg were run over by a bus or revealed to be a secret axe murderer or something there is no inherent reason why another leader of the Lib Dems couldn’t be elected and the coalition carry on as is. However in the more likely event that Clegg is deposed as Lib Dem leader because his party are unhappy with the direction he is taking them in then a renegotiation of the coalition agreement would seem to be inevitable with a new leader in place. The coalition would then either continue under that new agreement or the coalition would officially end and an election take place I guess.
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Straggler Member Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
It's the Euro elections in the UK tomorrow.
The anti-EU party UKIP look set to do well. If the European parliament becomes filled with representatives who want to disband the European Union what will happen?
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Like most politicians everywhere once they take their seats and recognize they have become part of the power elite they won't give that up easily.
what will happen? Probably not much.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1444 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The anti-EU party UKIP look set to do well. If the European parliament becomes filled with representatives who want to disband the European Union what will happen? It will set back the One World Order for a while, that's all. I'm very happy to hear there's some common sense left in the UK though, opposing this move to bring all the nations under the tyranny of one government. But too many aren't seeing what it is really all about so all that's going to happen is the occasional minor setback before it wins. It has to win ultimately because the Bible prophesies it. I just hope common sense and Christian prayer keep it at bay a long time before that.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
It's the Euro elections in the UK tomorrow. Only two parties attempted to send me their propaganda. That's an improvement over most elections, but still.
The anti-EU party UKIP look set to do well. The BNP has this. Did you know they stopped Britain going to war against Syria? Apparently - because Nick Griffin visited Syria, that convinced David Cameron from military action. The parliamentary vote, apparently, had nothing to do with it.
If the European parliament becomes filled with representatives who want to disband the European Union what will happen? I'm totally confident they will give up their 8,000 euros a month + 300 euros a day 'allowance' to do the thing they were elected to do. Politicians are like that.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
I'm very happy to hear there's some common sense left in the UK though, opposing this move to bring all the nations under the tyranny of one government. Stupid USA, right?
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