Happy Easter This Saturday Evening!

Because of Buz? No, don't do it.I like the name. It is a play on words and speaks to personality and philosophy. It's great.Think of it this way. In treating your name you can always tell if someone has their eyes open, is paying attention to detail and is thus intellectually able to engage.Don't change it hEKiTric.Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.

I think something is missing. Since the traditional crucifixion is places on Friday:1) He had to be removed from the cross and laid in the tomb before sunset, which started the sabbath. In the ground for part of Friday thus day 1.
2) from sunset to sunset Saturday. Day 2
3) He rises sometime on Sunday thus for part of Sunday he is in the ground. Day 3. Where does it day he was interred for three whole days?

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

LOL "Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: For as Jonas was three days and three night in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth" (Matthew 12:38-40).Three days and three nights. Hence the problem with Friday to Sunday. Some apologists have tried to use the excuse that three days and three nights is just another way of saying three days. Except Jesus clearly states in John 11:9:" . . . Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world."So Jesus clearly meant day and night were involved when he stated 3 days and three nights.So the excuse was then it was not on Friday, but Wed or Thursday. Since Jesus was killed before the Sabbath, one concludes that it must be Friday. But certain apologists claim that there was another Sabbath during the week. Their reasoning is that since one rests on a high day (a high day is a special day of some kind, ie Passover) that its also a Sabbath. So when it stated the Sabbath was arriving, it was not the Saturday Sabbath but another type.But I clearly showed in my third post, that it had to be Friday based upon the evidence.Also, Mark 8:31 tells us:"And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again."So this would mean he would rise on the fourth day.Yet: "Now as Jesus was going up to Jerusalem, he took the twelve disciples aside and said to them, 'We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will turn him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!'" -- Matthew 20:17-19Its the third day.

I agree which is what I was trying to explain. 3 days are Friday, Saturday & Sunday. The point is that he had to be buried before sundown since the Sabbath stated at sundown.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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3) He rises sometime on Sunday thus for part of Sunday he is in the ground. Day 3. Where does it day he was interred for three whole days?

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I believe the "three whole days" idea comes only from a literalistic reading of the Jonah references. The position of the OP is that this somehow overrides the references to being raised on the third day.

My apologies for the mispelling. We know by the text that the it was time for the Passorver to begin when Jesus and his desciples had their passover celebration in the upper room. That they did this does not mean that that day was the 1st day of Passover. Jesus said, "do this in remembrance of me." He would not be with them on the 1st day of Passover which was one of the two Passover sabbaths, the second one being the last day of the 7 days of Passover feasts, etc. The reason it could fall on any day of the week is because the month Nissan's full moon day could fall on any week day.The word sabbath is not defined by 7th. It's meaning is a time of rest, usually pertaining to a holy day. The Jewish Levicical priesthood regime called for a number of sabbaths, in which no work was to be done/rest time and all that applied to the 7th day Sabbath applied to the other holy sabbaths.The 1st and last days of Passover Sabbaths were every bit as sabbatarian by the Jews as the 7th day sabbath. As was with the case with Jesus, this was no exception.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

I was kidding! Sure it does. It clearly states the lambs were slain that day. Not sure what this has to do with your point though.... Why wouldnt Jesus be with them? How does one celebrate Passover? It cannot fall on any day of the week for the reasons I have already given.1) Scripture states the women went to the tomb on Sunday. If Jesu swas placed in the tomb Friday, before the Sabbath (Saturday) it makes perfect sense for them to go Sunday. If Jesus was killed before Friday, they would not have waited to go on Sunday. They would have went on Friday.2) Men on the road Sunday, clearly state its been three days since he was cruficied.3) You mentioned Wed was the Passover. This means the 10th would be Saturday, the Sabbath. Scripture clearly states they broke palm leaves on the 10th. This is a violation of the Sabbath.4) Mark 16: 9When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week Show me in the Bible where a high day is called a Sabbath. High days fell on Sabbaths, but nowhere in the entire Bible is a high day called a Sabbath.

The prophecy does not state that Jesus would be in the tomb 3 full days and 3 full nights. It says he would be in the heart of the earth for this period of time.Hades/Gehenna, according to the account of Lazarus and the rich man had two compartments, one for the sleeping just and on for torment of the unjust. The prophecy states that while there he will "take captivity captive." After he died the record says many dead were seen by people on earth rise out of the earth. Obviously it was his spirit which was in the heart of the earth for the durration of time. The scripture does not designate that his body had to be with him. He evidently had the ability to have metaphysical experiences as with the temtations of Satan when Satan took him up on the pinacle of the a Temple and tempted him to jump. So he could have arose the instant that 3 full days had passed from the instant he died. It doesn't even imply that three full days must be calendar days, just that sometime on the 1st day of the week after completing 3 days he arose.That I said 3 full days in one of my statements does not mean they had to necessarily be to the second, but that the Thursday eve death (our Wed eve) would allow for that if someone felt that it was a requirement.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Passover is feast days, requiring a lot of slaughter as the lambs were not only for sin offerings but for the feasts. The ones for the feasts were likely too many to be killing and preparing on a sabbath day. Because he was dead!His cup of wine and bread rememberance meal was not actually a passover feast, perse, but as the communion ceremony today it was to remind them to remember him as often as they determined, that he is our passover lamb, i.e. lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world (to as many as receive him as lord/master and savior) No! I didn't say that as per the Jewish days of evenings and mornings. By my calculations, he was dead and off the cross by the Jewish Thursday eve which would calculate Thursday to be their 1st Passover Sabbath day. (Note: first Passover Sabbath day, not first day of week. )Buz writes:
The word sabbath is not defined by 7th. It's meaning is a time of rest, usually pertaining to a holy day. The Jewish Levicical priesthood regime called for a number of sabbaths, in which no work was to be done/rest time and all that applied to the 7th day Sabbath applied to the other holy sabbaths. If you weren't so insistant on your looser postion, one of them is right there as scripture sates he had to be off the cross before sabbath, and traditional Friday-Sunday calculations in no way allow for the next day to be the 7th day sabbath because it only calculates to 2 nights.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

12On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus' disciples asked him, "Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?"Its the first day. So its the Passover. If you use John. The synoptics say otherwise. But again, I'm not sure why it matters if it was Passover or not. All four of the reasons I gave that it must be Friday have nothing to do with it being Passover. Only John calls him the lamb of god, bc he was to be the Passover sacrifice. You mentioned he was killed Wed. You also brought up the fact he could not eat the Passover meal bc he was already dead, as per John. John states he was killed on the first day of the Passover. Hence why he could not eat the Passover meal late in the day. So Passover had to start Wed.Am I misunderstanding something here? First, I gave four solid reasons why it could only be Friday. You addressed only one of them. As for this one you addressed, yes he had to be off the cross before the Sabbath, bc it was Saturday. Please provide the scripture where it states a high day is called a Sabbath. I'm not sure what you mean that it calculates to "two night". His death?Dead placed in tomb Friday, before Sabbath. In tomb all day Saturday. Rose Sunday.Thats three days.

HERICtic, sorry, but your last message didn't make enough sense to warrant the time required for a response.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Buz, my reponses makes perfect sense. The issue is that you've made a few mistakes which have made it difficult to grasp exactly when Jesus died, when he rose and when the Passover is. I gave you four reasons why it had to be Friday, you've ignored them all.So lets take a step back. If you're willing to go further with this, I would love for you to clarify some points.Let's assume at 6pm a day changes. Evening to evening, Jewish day.So we have Tues. ending, Wed. beginning-6pm.
We have Wed ending, Thurs beginning-6pm
We have Thurs ending, Friday beginning-6pmWhat day do you believe Jesus died?
Which day is the Passover?Once I have an understanding of those two points, I think I might be back on track.Thanks.Edited by hERICtic, : To clarify some issues.