I could just as easily say that the public school system produces the likes of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, and yes, the worldwide abortion comment would apply in this case also.
I don't agree with what probably 80% of the posters here say on various topics but you have a serious anger problem towards anything Christianity while you completely turn a blind eye to anything that a secularist might do. Also, you make ridiculous blanket statements such as this one and the one not too long ago about how nobody has ever killed in any other name but the name of God....did Harris and Klebold kill in the name of God??? I doubt it.
I of course have no problem with kids that get home schooled. We don't home school our kids but do send them to private schools. I was a product of both public and private schools. Private all the way to high school then public high school.
We have no choice in our situation. I live in the Dayton, OH public school district (google it, you'll understand our situation). No one in their right mind would send their kids to this school district if you had any hope of them making it out without being arrested less then 3 times by the 12th grade. As a police officer in this city, I've been called to the high schools on a DAILY basis (usually 6-10 officers have to go) to break up fights and collect guns off students. The school system here is literally a zoo, a social experiment gone haywire.
I have about 4-5 fellow police officer families that send their kids to the same tiny school my kids go to and only myself and one of those other families would I call fundamental. The others simply send their kids there for the education. The kids at this school test about 1.5 to 2 grades above the state level (I know, it's been discussed why that is, but the small class rooms is why we choose to pay to send our kids there). So, I think there is a trend in this country, certainly within inner city families (black and white, because our school has a high percentage of African Americans, at least in relation to the size of the school), our fed up with the crime ridden public schools and just want a better education, not necessarily a "christian" education. Same for the home schooling concept that started out as a primarily fundamental christian movement which is now probably winning more families that just want a better education.
Let me clarify before I get shredded on the public school shellacking I gave. I don't think all public schools are like this. I used a fairly extreme example. Most public schools, even around our area, are very good schools and do a great job at educating the kids and sending them off to college. I just so happen to live in a crime zone boarding on a war zone.
Any response I give will be ammo for those who are currently accusing me of hating anything christianity. So I will say that Time Tebow WAS homeschooled, and in my opinion he is a twat because his parents gave him crap education: religion instead of knowledge. The kid is dumb as a box of rocks. If he weren't built like a brick shit-house, he'd bagging groceries or working fast food
Fair enough. That statement at least clarifies the position a little more soundly then your first one, although the last statement is still an arbitrary opinion and certainly not a fact.
Huntard, there are some very very good public schools in America. I went to my sister-in-laws graduation a couple years back and was very very impressed with the kids that gave speeches, played music, ect. One kid got a full ride education scholarship to Yale. Funny thing is, that school district boarders mine. It's night and day difference. Why?
One, the great school district is comprised of middle to upper class citizens who care about their kids education. Parents are involved. Great tax base for great programs that the kids can participate in like music, art, ect. Most of the kids come from 2 parent homes. Our school district is the exact opposite....most kids come from single parent homes where said single parent could care two craps about their kids education, no tax base, crime galore in the neighborhood. This tends to be true across America when it comes to the bigger cities vs. suburban America.
Class room size, imo, isn't relevant when comparing public school vs. public school. In my example, the great public school probably has even more kids per class room vs. our failing one. I think, again imo, that class room size does matter when comparing private schools and home schools vs. any public school.
Efforts to improve our schools have been counterproductive in many cases. The No Child Left Behind Act was an attempt to bring the glory of the Free Market to education, with schools competing for resources and having funding cut if they didn't pass the tests. This led to teaching to the tests, rather than a comprehensive education plan and took valuable time out of the normal curriculum...and then de-funded the schools that arguably needed help the most.
Pretty good point here. The worst legislative act under the Bush II administration imo. My best friend's wife is a teacher at a public school, a very good one I'll add, and she told me that all they do now for these tests is to simply teach the test to the kids. So teachers spend X amount of times teaching kids the answers to a test that really doesn't teach the kids anything at all. Like you said, it's all about funding.
Also, zenmonkey...good points in your post. There isn't just one or two reasons why the public schools in America are lagging, it's a variety of reasons and unique reasons to each district. That's why I think that many more kids are being homeschooled and it doesn't have much to do with religion, although as I stated, I think that's how the movement started out.
I'm ref your first post in this discussion. You are correct and yes, I for one, did give a little bit more of a PC answer then you did, but I was hinting at the same thing by using terms like "inner-city" and "suburban".
Our failing school system here in the "city" vs. right next door's blossoming "suburban" system can be explained by race make up and also economic make up.