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Topic: The utility of ID
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Larni
Member (Idle past 149 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 1 of 42 (255062)
10-27-2005 9:38 AM
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If ID was backed up by substantial peer reviewed evidence and found to be plausable, how could we use it? When evidence for germ theory became strong it heralded an sea change in medicine. What could we use an evidence based ID theory for?
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Larni
Member (Idle past 149 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 11 of 42 (256700)
11-04-2005 4:16 AM
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Reply to: Message 4 by Christian7 11-03-2005 6:39 AM
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Germ Units
That's a cool analogy mate but it does not answere my question: "If ID was backed up by substantial peer reviewed evidence and found to be plausable, how could we use it?"
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Larni
Member (Idle past 149 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 12 of 42 (256701)
11-04-2005 4:25 AM
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Reply to: Message 5 by kongstad 11-03-2005 7:40 AM
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Library of life
Very touching mate. Good find.
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Larni
Member (Idle past 149 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 13 of 42 (256703)
11-04-2005 4:29 AM
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Reply to: Message 9 by Silent H 11-03-2005 6:23 PM
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Detecting design.
Good point. Would we be looking for human design footprints for (say) patent infringement or detecting the hand of a god? I reckon ID implies some deity (or aliens to be inclusive).
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Larni
Member (Idle past 149 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 18 of 42 (256720)
11-04-2005 7:38 AM
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Reply to: Message 14 by Silent H 11-04-2005 6:20 AM
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Re: Detecting design.
I reckon you have a decent use for it there mate. It has a potential health implication. In the UK many people realy hate the idea of GM crops and propose health risks from it. A shame there is no counter part for the use of godly ID detection. Although to be fair I should say 'yet'. Any creo takes on the utility of ID?
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Larni
Member (Idle past 149 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 19 of 42 (256757)
11-04-2005 10:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 6 by nwr 11-03-2005 8:17 AM
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Teh designer
If we could identify the designer I would say: "Dude, when is the 1.1 Patch coming out? This version is buggy as hell"
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Larni
Member (Idle past 149 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 21 of 42 (257409)
11-07-2005 4:06 AM
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Reply to: Message 20 by Funkaloyd 11-04-2005 10:31 PM
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Re: Teh designer
I reckon thats why there is no evidence of ID; we are in a beta and were not feature locked yet. If ID is true, Universe Publishing House would sue for breaking quality and completion deadlines. God is a cowboy
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Larni
Member (Idle past 149 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 22 of 42 (257410)
11-07-2005 4:09 AM
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Seriously
Seriouly though: any ID'er up to giving some constructive use for ID if it turns out to be true? As far as I see it it would be like finding super technology that we could never understand and thus never use. The only reason for ID seems to be to say "there look, god did do it".
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Larni
Member (Idle past 149 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 25 of 42 (258032)
11-09-2005 4:33 AM
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Reply to: Message 24 by RAZD 11-07-2005 7:55 PM
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Re: Seriously - ID is a mental end-game.
Agreed. Furthermore I am really begining to now think that the concept of ID is (as well as being intellectually dishonest) simply a psuedo science raft for god botherers to pin their phony religious promogulation agenda on. As no proponent of ID has attempted to answer the OP I can't think of any reason to carry on with this thread. Cheers for your (evo) input people
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Larni
Member (Idle past 149 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Re: The design isn't the whole story
Like where your going with this mate; if we can detect the "hand of god" and we can duplicate it for ourselves (in however many years) I will be a happy bunny. Joe Halderman in his book 'Forever Free' (lackluster sequel to the amazing 'Forever War) had the idea that our galaxy was a giant experimental lab and his hero was able to deduce this. This led to all kinds of physical law changes (as these were set as experimental parameters). Just think of the things we could do if we had a handle on 'creation'. But I imagine this idea would be called blasphemy or some such.
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Larni
Member (Idle past 149 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 30 of 42 (258780)
11-11-2005 5:50 AM
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Reply to: Message 28 by be LIE ve 11-11-2005 1:18 AM
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Completely agree
Yup, think you got it there mate. I read an artical in the 'Guardian' (UK broad sheet (well ex broard sheet now)) news paper about a cool Guiness advert which had the blokes drinking backwards in time. They de-evolved from men to little mud skipping lung fish thingies via the magic of cgi. Now the artical asked if this evolution based adverising would happen in the US. It raised the points we raise on this forum about the danger of relion and education. To echo the write of the artical: evolution is science and part of a grand tradition of progress and discovery. Religion is pop history. It can be a comfort and a psuedo moral compass, but thats it. I'm still waiting for a cre to come here. Is the Science Forum thread putting them off? Or are they banned from here? Is it possible that ID can be seperate from religion?
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Larni
Member (Idle past 149 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Re: Detecting design.
Sorry mate, did not understand your post. Could you be clearer? Thanx
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Larni
Member (Idle past 149 days) Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: 09-16-2005
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Message 36 of 42 (258844)
11-11-2005 12:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 32 by tardygm2 11-11-2005 9:06 AM
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Re: Detecting design.
"evolution is theory creation is true"-bbb67 Mate, I'm making the assumption that ID is true (which requires creation on some level). Then I'm asking what we could do with that information. There are a few really good ideas for a use of ID. Can you match the ones found on this thread? C'mon mate, views from creos are few and far between in the science pages. Make a stand mate!
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