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Rahvin Member Posts: 3966 Joined: |
Reread Genesis. quote: On the seventh day, He rested. There was no "creating" going on in the seventh day of Genesis. In the Bible, creation takes six days, not seven. Your diagrams specifically show things (ie, galaxies) being created on the "seventh day." Therefore either they or the Bible must be wrong. “The human understanding when it has once adopted an opinion (either as being the received opinion or as being agreeable to itself) draws all things else to support and agree with it.” - Francis Bacon "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." - John Rogers “A world that can be explained even with bad reasons is a familiar world. But, on the other hand, in a universe suddenly divested of illusions and lights, man feels an alien, a stranger. His exile is without remedy since he is deprived of the memory of a lost home or the hope of a promised land. This divorce between man and his life, the actor and his setting, is properly the feeling of absurdity.” – Albert Camus "...the pious hope that by combining numerous little turds of
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
I seem to see eight flags in the picture, and I also don't see a Geological period mentioned in the unfolding. How do you get 7 stages? Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846) The apathy of the people is enough to make every statue leap from its pedestal and hasten the resurrection of the dead. William Lloyd Garrison. If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass
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Percy Member Posts: 20948 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 3.1
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Hi Kofh2u,
Is your position that any breakdown of events into 7 stages lends support to the accounts in Genesis? Don't you need 6 stages of events followed by a static 7th stage? And doesn't your position mean that any breakdown of events into other numbers of stages argues against the accounts in Genesis? Or more to the point, isn't the number of stages in anything irrelevant? Shouldn't you be looking for actual correspondences between scientifically verified events and events in the Genesis? For example, in your first diagram the 3rd stage still has no atoms, but on the 3rd day in Genesis there were already plants and trees "of every kind." Seems to me like there's no correspondence at all. --Percy
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Eli Member (Idle past 2803 days) Posts: 274 Joined: |
Those are geological scales, not cosmological.
They are also categorically wrong. There are 4 eons/10 eras, not 6 eras. You are mixing them up. Ceno, mezo, paleo belong to the Phanerozoic eon.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member
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Simplifying
Thank Son, lets just keep this rolling.
So the metric is 'how the distances work'. It can be a mathematical equation where you input some particular of the manifold and determine the distance between them. So lets look at the metric we're all familiar with:
The old X-Y Plane. To find the distance to the green dot, we use You can make the manifold more complicated by adding more dimensions: And this will change the metric.
People can use these manifolds to create some pretty cool shapes. quote:
Hrm, that one's not hotlinking: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/...CqnVoStqug/s1600-h/rp2+model.jpg lol - Someone made a kitty:
source People are even using them to study biology: quote:
You can create manifolds to see if and how they match observations to get a better understanding of the underlying causes of the way things happen. Some of the manifolds more accurately match observations of our Universe, itself, even. Like how Einstein's have. As you say:
The blog for the sculpture above had this to say: quote:
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3131 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
The numbers 12 and 3 are pretty redundant too.
The reason is that the Jews wrote cues and noted the facts stated in the Torah at the time of Moses. This was all done by the kohanim, the priests whose hands we still see on their tombstones in the Jewish cemeteries.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3131 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
... the evening (of the Mesozoic Era) and the morning (of the Cenozoic Era) were the sixth "day,"... Gen. 1:31 And God, (The First Uncaused Cause), saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the (Cretaceous) evening (of the Mesozoic Era) and the (Quaternary) morning (of the Cenozoic Era) were the sixth "day,": [yom, in the Hebrew = duration] The creation ended on the morning of the sixth day, which was the Quaternary Period of the Cenozoic Era. The morning of the seventh day of rest began during the Tertiary Period of the Cenozoic Era:
NOTE: 1. Formative/Cosmologic Era-Hadean Era/ = First Day 2. Hadean Era-Archaean Era/ = Second Day 3. Archaean Era-Proterozoic Era/ = Third Day 4. Proterozoic Era-Paleozoic Era/ = Fourth Day 5. Paleozoic Era-Mesozoic Era/ = Fifth Day 6. Mesozoic Era- (Quaternary Period of the) Cenozoic Era/ = Six Day 7. (Tertiary Period of the) Cenozoic Era -Common Era/ = Seventh Day
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3131 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
The redundant use of the number seven in both nature, (at least in regard to the use by scientists, inordinately classifying events and details that way) is matched by the Bible with such an over emphasis on that number. It does not refer to the seven days of the creation that follow, but is merely commentariy above, in regard to Gen 1:1. The point made above was merely illustrating that this verse refers to the seven stages of the Big Bang according to many scientists who whom seem to like seven also. These scientists again demonstrate that creation as an overview that accommodates the numbering of seven major events, though they are not the same or kind as we read in genesis 1. number seven
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3131 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
The organization of rock layers uses the suffix eons, eras, periods, epochs merely to signify the age of the layer, eons implying billions of years, eras in the millions, and periods and epochs significant shorter times. If one lists all all the eons then the eras, etc the list is long. These major six layers each contain sub-layers of various ages which use prefixes that indicate whether they are in the beginning, middle, or last stages of the particular layer:
The six major chronological layers are also biologically grouped into two sets of three Eras, depending upon whether there is abundant evidence of life in the rocks or not. Biologically, the last three rock layers contain evidence of life, hence they are classified as Phanerozoic. These tags do NOT refer to rock layers but to whether life can be found inside the rocks that appeared in the order over time. (Note the red explanation in red ink as per Berkeley explanation).
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Percy Member Posts: 20948 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 3.1
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Okay, I think I understand now. You think that numerology is evidence that the Bible knew about the nature of the universe before modern scientists. But numerology is nonsense, plus the events actually described in Genesis lack any correspondence to what actually happened.
--Percy
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Eli Member (Idle past 2803 days) Posts: 274 Joined: |
Yeah, that system was called "memorization."
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Eli Member (Idle past 2803 days) Posts: 274 Joined: |
That chart is in error.
You have eras and eons mixed up and are only giving half the picture. geochronological eras are enumerated at 10, not six.
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Eli Member (Idle past 2803 days) Posts: 274 Joined:
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no. According to the ICS, which you already acknowledged as an authority, there is a clear distinction that eras are a subcategory of eons.
It should also be noted that the eoarchean era lasted 300 million years, which is nearly as long as the Phanerozoic eon (540 million years, indicated by your own provided graphic) so these divisions are not based on time or "billions of years v millions of years." You have no grasp of this subject which is made obvious by your defining geochronological time using a biostratigraphical definition, which is a different, albeit related, subject. Lastly, numerology is not a scientific topic. Please don't change the facts to suit your new wave agenda. We all know better.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3131 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
Funny man. 1) What I think about sets of numbers is part of Group Theory. I add to this generally accepted idea that the "software" the computer-like Brain (used to operate the system of the mind it creates) has a fixed and ready pattern it throws over everything it contemplates. The mind sends the seven sensory inputs into special physical brain locations which are the Categories to which Kant referred. Recent laboratory experiments support some of this idea. But common sense tends to convince an open minded person that this fixed pattern exists, since time has usually been of the essence for the mind to make decisions. This is because the pattern is always seven inouts that make sense one-to-one. Mlodinow, Leonard. Subliminal: How Your Unconscious Mind Rules Your Behavior (Kindle Location 146). Random House, Inc.. Kindle Edition. The unconscious mind… it is a gift of evolution that is crucial to our survival as a species. Conscious thought is a great aid in designing a car or deciphering the mathematical laws of nature, but for avoiding snake bites or cars that swerve into your path or people who may mean to harm you, only the speed and efficiency of the unconscious can save you. As we’ll see, to ensure our smooth functioning in both the physical and the social world, nature has dictated that many processes of perception, memory, attention, learning, and judgment are delegated to brain structures outside conscious awareness. 2) I believe that "the events actually described in Genesis... correspond to what actually happened" but the church people do not. Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given. Edited by kofh2u, : No reason given.
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kofh2u Member (Idle past 3131 days) Posts: 1162 From: phila., PA Joined: |
True. What I am talking about, though, is not the age each of these many layers, but the age of the Earth as measured by cataclysmic events marked in the layers at specific point, i.e., six places. For instance, when using geology to discover these cataclysmic points that mark off the "days," the K-T point separated the Mesozoic layers from the Cenozoic Era.
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