What gives God the right to be "holy"?

So then, anyone who denies YOUR religion is a fucktard? Muslims are fucktards? Buddhists are fucktards?This, assuming you aren't taking a personal jab at me. If you are saying I, ME, PERSONNALLY am a complete fucktard....well sir, **** you. Well, all those priests sure had no qualms about what they did to those children. All those evangelicals who married 14 year old girls sure had no qualms. Guess jesus wasn't with them huh? They sure seemed happy........until they got caught.Edited by hooah212002, : moar crap

I was giving you Christianities view on things: me, you and everyone else ever born are evildoers of extreme degree. Evildoers, sinners, fucktards - call us whatever you like.Christianities view on things isn't that Christianity gives you licence to be a fucktard (which you seemed to feel). Rather, Christianities view on things is that you are a fucktard already and need rescuing from your fucktardiness.Christianities view on things is that anyone who rejects Gods attempt to save them will remain fucktards until the day they die and that then they will face Judgement.I wasn't identifying you to be a fucktard in any personal sense. My apologies if I gave that impression

One reason why I stopped being a Christian almost 20 years ago. Of all religions I've ever studied, this one would seem to take the cake for denigrating its followers. Believing that one needs saving from some kind of innate evil from birth is a depressingly negative view of the state of being human. So is being compelled to worship a personified narcissistic king in the sky for that matter. Think about it. Do you honestly believe that this is what spirituality is all about?

Which flavor of christianity would that be? All of you christians on here claim to be christians, but few of you hardily agree on THE SAME BOOK. Nope. i'm afraid not my friend. You may have been born evil, but I didn't commit evil until later on in my life. And it had fuck all to do with religion, or lack there of. Which is why I stopped believing that wacky, ass-backward religion. What attempt? Usually when someone attempts to do something for someone....the other person is aware of it. However, the apologetics fail. Horribly.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

1) Not everyone who considers themselves Christian are Christians (as defined by God) - whether the self-identifying tag happens to be "priest" or "evangelical".This makes it as difficult to throw mud as it is to clean it off.2) Assuming some of those priests were Christians (as defined by God)? Their having qualms or not isn't easy to ascertain. Suffice to say, having qualms isn't always sufficient to prevent sin. The fact that Christians sin is evidence for that.Were it that being a Christian was a guarentee of sinless perfection. Edited by iano, : No reason given.

Ahh. It's all so clear now. iano get's to determine who is a christian.I purposely didn't link to the stories in particular to see what kind of spin you would put on it. You passed. (or failed) The individuals I was referring to sure had their entire congregation fooled then. I guess it doesn't take shit to become a spokesman for god huh.Edited by hooah212002, : added my sig, which has been failing to appear

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Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan

Your study seems to possess gaping holes. Christianities 'followers' are:1) Considered righteous in Gods sight.2) Are considered to have evil residing only in the vehicle around in which they move, to whit: the mortal flesh.Far from denigrating it's followers, Christianity exalts them to the very highest of (admittedly undeserved) places. A(n adopted) child of God? There can be no more exalted position than that. Bar being God yourself.- Er..no.Last I heard, I worshipped God because I wanted to, because it is a way for me to express "how great thou art". Wouldn't it be terrible if you thought someone was fantastic but there was no means to express that? Last I also heard, if I never worshipped God between now and my dying breath it wouldn't make any difference to the fact that I'm going to meet him and spend all eternity with him.As it is, it would be a lot more difficult not to worship that worship him. So I do. Perhaps the reason you don't is that you've never met him. In that case, there'd be little point in being a 'follower' of Christianity. You might as well plough another furrow as this one.

How wonderful god is that he considers child molesting priests righteous. Maybe the test should be a little harder for ataining said positions. You've met god? What's he look like? Long grey beard, long grey hair. I always imagined he looks like Merlin, sans the wizard hat.

Pretty much the same thing. Human beings = wicked, sinning dirt. Look at what you've typed that expresses this. Let's take a hypothetical child who has two parents telling them systematically that they are never good enough and can never do anything right. Mix in a good dose of Christian guilt: "We are poor sinners who do not deserve to lick God's bootstraps." Result: pathological low self-esteem leading to difficulties in relationships, depression, addiction, and so on. Believe it because I've seen it. Do you think this is a healthy way for people to think about themselves? Actually I've never regretted freeing myself from the shackles of religion. My thoughts are more loving, wiser, happier, and more life-affirming. I have a spirituality of sorts but I don't believe that there's a person in the sky, and I also believe that it's entirely possible to be a loving and moral person without a religion telling one how. Like some others here have said, I do not believe "he" exists, so that's not a problem.Edited by Kitsune, : No reason given.

It's one thing telling a grown adult who engages in discussion regarding such things that they are dead in their sins. It's quite another to brainwash a child with such stuff.I'd view exposing a child to the gospel (and the need for it) in the same way as I'd view exposing a child to sex and sexuality: one page at a time > at a pace suitable for the childs stage of development. They might be born sinners but their children all the same.- ..if you had the kind of upbringing you described above then I'm not surprised you freed yourself from it.It's all very well to have life-affirming thoughts but if that life is spend on a sinking Titanic then the enjoyment of the playing band only masks the icy waters to come.You'd agree that what matters is what's true. Not what's personally most satisfying?- I believe the same thing. Indeed, it's because I believe man is made in the image and likeness of God and that he has an awareness of good and evil that he can love and be moral (at times)- You don't believe he exists because you've never met him. If you did you would believe he exists - naturally.At least you might agree that it is reasonable to worship someone who you've met who you find worthy of it?

WOW. Just wow. The fact that you, an admitted person of faith, likens your particular flavor of religion to the teaching of sex. I find it abhorrent that this is the comparison that is drawn. Shouldn't it be as simple as: "god is good and if you are good you go to heaven which is good."? But no. You muddy the waters with sin and damnation. That's a false dichotomy only you and people of your ilk believe. Our titanic doesn't sink. It just stops. End game. No icy water. I pose the same question as I did above. God doesn't show himself.

Your answer... And now for hooah's personal mega-rant: And here goes Larni... And now its Kitsune's turn... Seriously, what is the intent of this thread? To blaspheme God? Then why wasn't the title "alright, thread for God-haters to gather, pour out their hateful words, demean believers, demean God, enjoy, and have great fun"? Why was I deceived into thinking that this actually was a discussion about the God of the bible?

Maybe if you take off the rose colored glasses and see what the posters are saying without using your own values and see what they are saying, you'd see there is no blasphemy, just logic.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

Ahhh, I seeee. My! How foolish I had been to wear my rose colored glasses to such an important, eye-opening, illuminating and logical discussion! Poor you, what will you do with me?? I pity you, for you had to bear with me. Sigh. All this while when *I* had been blasphmeing you, you stood silent, you dared not raise your voice, you showed me utmost kindness in return for my blasphemy!Your statement is most deuced! Yes, its no longer sufficient to be kind when the thread has dissolved into such a stinking, disgusting garbage disposal spot for all God-haters to throw their tantrums, garbage if you will. Since when did words like "fucktard, arse, theological babble, associations with Hitler and Stalin, Dungeon Monster, a succinct "I hate God", wacky, ass-backward, narcisst, cruel-bastard, begin to be used in logic? The above words are from the 88 posts in this thread/garbage bin. In carrying on a *logical* discussion...how logical to say " I hate your God, this thread was made to demean him, he's a bastard* in response to a "God loves mankind"! How logical indeed!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To exhibit your views using demeaning words towards the object of the discussion is the sign of weakness, not meekness or greatness. If all you have to offer is attitude, then why pose to be scholars of wisdom and put attractive titles for your threads? You might as well be honest...that will surely bring you more customers/garbage disposers, will it not?I talked about Jesus' deity. It was rejected. The discussion was steered away towards Christians being "incongruent" in their beliefs. I pointed out that Jesus' death was not pointless. It was also, rejected. Not only was it rejected, but the replyer proposed a method of action that he thought was suitable. (as if we all should bow down and thank you for proposing that crappy method) Jano spents loads of time replying to your undeserving posts. Very clearly. No takers at all. Only retorters. Jaywill gave a brilliant explanation about how Adam and Even willingly brought themselves under God's law and that they lawfully deserve punishment. In reply, it was said that God did not have to have law, sin, and punishment if He didn't want to, if He cared about the millions dying and going to hell/suffering on earth. In other words, it was proposed that God become a LIAR! That God not stand by His own nature! That God lose His justice! Become a puppet in your hands. And you call this a logical discussion.If this is my last post in this thread, let me leave by saying, all you that despise the God of the Bible, JUST-IN-CASE, the Bible turns out to be true afterall, you will highly regret your words. Let the future reveal everything there is to know.-Dr. SingEdited by Dr. Sing, : No reason given.Edited by Dr. Sing, : No reason given.Edited by Dr. Sing, : No reason given.

What Hooah said. But also, you're still saying that by the time a Christian is an adult, they should be believing that they are the unworthy dirt beneath God's feet. If you don't see how that can cause problems for people then I don't think I can clarify any further. I didn't say I did. I am training to be a counsellor. Religion brings a lot of people in.Besides, I said that this negative view of the state of being human was only one reason I stopped being religious. The main one was that I was introduced to the ideas of other religions, after years of insular learning about just my own. I also learned that the story of the flood has undeniably clear parallels with flood stories that went before it, such as the epic of Gilgamesh, which helped me to see that I had been taught to believe in a mythology rather than the exclusive "truth" that I'd been told my religion was. I now look at the theistic religions of the world and see that the real truth is something beyond them; otherwise you have the problem of trying to prove why Yaweh is more real than Odin or Vishnu or Zeus, with the adherents of the other religions arguing most zealously with you. This stuff about God being the celestial parent who punishes you if you do wrong is old -- and it's also bizarre, since what parent would sentence their child to everlasting torment, no matter what it is they've done? Personally I'm inclined to believe that we get reincarnated. Though I'd also be OK with the idea that we return to the cosmic energy from whence we came; I used to believe that too. And guess what? I can still behave myself without worrying that I'll go to hell if I don't. I think that anyone who wants people to worship them has got psychological problems.