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iano
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Message 16 of 63 (536453)
11-23-2009 7:34 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Parasomnium
11-23-2009 7:24 AM


Re: Barmy Brits
Do you pronounce this with an intrusive r after "saw"? As a non-native speaker I have always liked the intrusive r very much. It sounds so very British.
You mean 'Bwitish' surely (your written English 'sounding Algemeen Beschaafd)?
I love the northern accents. Especially the one that puts an extra 'g' in the likes of "He were only sing-ging a song"
Edited by iano, : change was to were to more accurately reflect Northern England speak

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Huntard
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Message 17 of 63 (536454)
11-23-2009 7:43 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by iano
11-23-2009 7:34 AM


Re: Barmy Brits
Iano writes:
...Algemeen Beschaafd...
Wow. You know some Dutch.

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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Parasomnium
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Message 18 of 63 (536455)
11-23-2009 7:49 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by iano
11-23-2009 7:34 AM


Re: Barmy Brits
iano writes:
You mean 'Bwitish' surely
Not weally. I meant to ask whether he pwonounces it as "I saw-r-a stand up routine".

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Larni
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Message 19 of 63 (536456)
11-23-2009 7:52 AM
Reply to: Message 15 by Parasomnium
11-23-2009 7:24 AM


Re: Barmy Brits
I speak 'received English' so I would sound like a posh BBC news reporter but my wife is from the North and has a faint Lancaster accent.
Many of the people in Plymouth, however, would add 'r' as you say: 'saw it' would become 'sor-ret'.
Crazy, huh?

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Parasomnium
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Message 20 of 63 (536457)
11-23-2009 7:59 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by Larni
11-23-2009 7:52 AM


Re: Barmy Brits
Larni writes:
Crazy, huh?
Crazy? Not at all! I like it. I have even managed to get it into my system: when I speak English it slips in (when appropriate) without my having to think about it.

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iano
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Message 21 of 63 (536458)
11-23-2009 8:03 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Huntard
11-23-2009 7:43 AM


Re: Barmy Brits
Tja! Ik werkte/woonde in Nederland (Haarlem) voor ongeveer 5 jaar. Ik hield van de Amsterdamse bouwvakkerse accent - en vond Nederlandse en onzettend mooie taal. Erg expressieve, erg rijk..
Maar vond de 'rules and regulations' a beetje te. "Dat mag niet!.."

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Modulous
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Message 22 of 63 (536459)
11-23-2009 8:05 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Larni
11-22-2009 3:54 PM


Re: Barmy Brits
One that always got me was Aluminium is Al-la-min-ium rather than Aloo-min-um.
They pronounce it right (they just spell it wrong). They drop the second 'i' so it is Aluminum, which I pronounce exactly as they do
But then I say Grarse for Grass and Barth for Bath but my wife (from the grim place that is the North of England [I'm from the more appropriate South]) says them the latter way.
It's a source of unending dispute between my southern other half. She takes it all the way and even says plark for plaque!

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Larni
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Message 23 of 63 (536461)
11-23-2009 8:07 AM
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11-23-2009 8:05 AM


Re: Barmy Brits
I never knew Americans spelt aluminium differently!
That's QI.
I say plark, too

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Parasomnium
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Message 24 of 63 (536462)
11-23-2009 8:12 AM
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11-23-2009 8:07 AM


Re: Barmy Brits
Larni writes:
I never knew Americans spelt aluminium differently!
EVERYBODY knows that. Who are you, Alan Davies? Minus thirty points for you.

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Huntard
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Message 25 of 63 (536464)
11-23-2009 8:54 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by iano
11-23-2009 8:03 AM


Re: Barmy Brits
Well, your Dutch is still very good (not perfect, but meh, much better then some who have been living here for more then just 5 years).
Did you ever visit the best part of the country (the glorious south )? Which by the way has a very different dialect then the "normal" Dutch you're familiar with. I believe it actually got recognised as a different language or something.
iano writes:
Maar vond de 'rules and regulations' a beetje te. "Dat mag niet!.."
Indeed the "Betutteling" (try and find an english word for that! ) is something the Dutchmen complains about the entire time. Most blame it on the Christian parties in the goverment right now, something I don't think you'll agree with .

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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Parasomnium
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Message 26 of 63 (536465)
11-23-2009 9:09 AM
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11-23-2009 8:54 AM


Re: Barmy Brits
Huntard writes:
Did you ever visit the best part of the country (the glorious south)?
Don't believe him, Ian. The east is where you want to go.
"Betutteling" (try and find an english word for that!)
"Paternalism"?

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 27 of 63 (536466)
11-23-2009 9:21 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by Larni
11-23-2009 8:07 AM


Re: Barmy Brits
I never knew Americans spelt aluminium differently!
I never knew that was the actual spelling! I'm 32 years old and never knew that! I've heard British pronounce it that way, but assumed it was like adding the "r" consonant in "saw." (New Englanders tend to do that too.)

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." --John Adams

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Huntard
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Message 28 of 63 (536468)
11-23-2009 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 26 by Parasomnium
11-23-2009 9:09 AM


Re: Barmy Brits
Parasomnium writes:
Don't believe him, Ian. The east is where you want to go.
LIES! Also, their beer sucks, while ours doesn't.
"Paternalism"?
Hmm yes, that could work. However it doesnt really cover the belittling nature that goes with "betutteling". "Paternalism" sounds strong, "bettuteling" is meant to be weak and small. At least, that's what I think when I hear it.

I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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Parasomnium
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Message 29 of 63 (536470)
11-23-2009 9:55 AM
Reply to: Message 28 by Huntard
11-23-2009 9:28 AM


Re: Barmy Brits
Huntard writes:
their beer sucks, while ours doesn't.
That is, strangely, true.
"Paternalism" sounds strong, "bettuteling" is meant to be weak and small. At least, that's what I think when I hear it.
I don't know how 'paternalism' sounds to a native speaker, it might have the same ring to it as our 'betutteling'. To you (and me), its Latin origin may make it sound stern and aloof, whereas 'betutteling' seems to be something that happens in Kindergarten.

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Larni
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Message 30 of 63 (536481)
11-23-2009 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Parasomnium
11-23-2009 9:55 AM


Re: Barmy Brits
betutteling
When we were kids at play school there was this girl who thought she was in charge and very 'bossy'.
She had the self affected air of bossines while being childish at the same time.
How close is that?

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