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Author Topic:   Does Death Pose Challenge To Abiogenesis
cavediver
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Message 33 of 191 (533155)
10-29-2009 4:39 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Cedre
10-29-2009 4:24 AM


This is a straw man argument
I'm glad you think so as that's exactly what I thought when I saw your argument. Are you really trying to argue against abiogenesis (the idea that non-living chemicals came together to form self-replicating proto-cells, that could be regarded as the first life) on the basis of the nature of death of humans and other massive-scale massively-multicellular organisms? Is this in any way relevant? Even bacteria and other unicellular organisms are mindblowingly complex compared to these hypothetical proto-cells, but would be a billion times more suitable for discussion. I suggest that you restrict your discussion there if you want to be taken seriously...
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cavediver
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Message 39 of 191 (533167)
10-29-2009 5:42 AM
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10-29-2009 4:50 AM


The trend is from the known simplest lifeforms to the most complex all of them can and do die regularly with their parts intact, meaning that something else aside from parts is required, and to say that the earliest life form only required parts to be alive, if it existed, would be going against this universal trend that despite having parts all organism do die, showing that parts are not all that is needed.
can you spell circular, children?
What makes a bacteria die, despite having all the correct "parts"? Can you show that they do?

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cavediver
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Message 44 of 191 (533176)
10-29-2009 7:23 AM
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10-29-2009 5:47 AM


Can you show me bacteria that's been around from the beginning, if they don't die we should have bacteria that are millions of years old according evolutionary timescales.
I refer you to Caffeine's excellent post for an answer.
Now, I ask again - What makes a bacteria die, despite having all the correct "parts"? Can you show that they do?

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cavediver
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Message 62 of 191 (533238)
10-29-2009 1:23 PM
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10-29-2009 11:06 AM


The very first life form arose from an assembly of life-giving components yet I have showed that having life-giving components even having them in the right places isn't all that's needed for life
Actually you have singularly failed to show anything except a fundemental lack of understanding.

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