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Author Topic:   Help in teaching 11-12 Year olds (RE (Religious Education) in the UK)
Dr Jack
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Message 61 of 126 (538689)
12-09-2009 7:42 AM
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12-09-2009 6:34 AM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
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Modulous
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Message 62 of 126 (538709)
12-09-2009 10:44 AM
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12-09-2009 5:49 AM


what kids are taught
If all children are taught that in science class, i'll be happpy.
I thought they were taught that. As a child I could have quite happily told you that 'at the moment, nobody knows how life originated but scientists think it was something along these lines...'. This is a true set of facts about the world - I assume you don't object? I could have told you that when I was ten years old, and I was never given any other impression when I was fourteen and I did it at high school and the subject received about a paragraph of our time.
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Briterican
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Message 63 of 126 (538743)
12-09-2009 2:36 PM
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12-09-2009 5:49 AM


What we should teach
Peg writes:
what children need to be taught is that scientists HAVE ATTEMPTED these things and failed again and again and again and again...and why have they failed?
because its impossible for non living things to come to life. If all children are taught that in science class, i'll be happpy.
The failure of science to completely explain something (in this case abiogenesis) is not ample reason to leap to the conclusion that no rational explanation exists, and that there must have been a supernatural cause. There are plenty of ideas about the origin of self-replicating organisms, and some scientists believe that the emergence of self-replicating entities is inevitable.
Richard Dawkins in The Blind Watchmaker writes:
"What is the vital ingredient that a dead planet like the early Earth must have, if it is to have a chance of eventually coming alive, as our planet did? It is not breath, not wind, not any kind of elixir or potion. It is not a substance at all, it is a property, the property of self-replication. This is the basic ingredient of cumulative selection. There must somehow, as a consequence of the ordinary laws of physics, come into being self-copying entities..."
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Perdition
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Message 64 of 126 (538760)
12-09-2009 4:47 PM
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12-09-2009 6:18 AM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
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bluescat48
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Message 65 of 126 (538773)
12-09-2009 11:59 PM
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12-09-2009 6:18 AM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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Peg
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Message 66 of 126 (538782)
12-10-2009 5:39 AM
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12-09-2009 10:44 AM


Re: what kids are taught
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Granny Magda
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Message 67 of 126 (538784)
12-10-2009 5:53 AM
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12-10-2009 5:39 AM


Peg's DNA
Mutate and Survive
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"A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod

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Peg
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Message 68 of 126 (538785)
12-10-2009 5:54 AM
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12-09-2009 7:00 AM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
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Wounded King
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Message 69 of 126 (538786)
12-10-2009 5:54 AM
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12-10-2009 5:39 AM


Re: what kids are taught
TTFN,
WK
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Granny Magda
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Message 70 of 126 (538789)
12-10-2009 6:08 AM
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12-10-2009 5:54 AM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
Mutate and Survive
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"A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod

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Peg
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Message 71 of 126 (538790)
12-10-2009 6:13 AM
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12-09-2009 7:03 AM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
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Peg
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Message 72 of 126 (538791)
12-10-2009 6:23 AM
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12-10-2009 5:53 AM


Re: Peg's DNA
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Peg
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Message 73 of 126 (538792)
12-10-2009 6:30 AM
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12-10-2009 6:08 AM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
Granny Magda writes:
Of course it is. You claim that it's Yaweh or the highway. That's a false dichotomy. You have excluded the mean, excluded all other options out of hand.
no you are wrong.
its not about which God at all. Its about creation vs evolution.
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Granny Magda
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Message 74 of 126 (538793)
12-10-2009 6:32 AM
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12-10-2009 6:23 AM


Re: Peg's DNA
Okay, Mutate and Survive
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"A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod

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Wounded King
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Message 75 of 126 (538794)
12-10-2009 6:35 AM
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12-10-2009 6:13 AM


Sounds like Cichlids
TTFN,
WK
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