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Author Topic:   Help in teaching 11-12 Year olds (RE (Religious Education) in the UK)
Vacate
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Message 46 of 126 (538589)
12-08-2009 5:11 AM
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12-07-2009 11:50 PM


Percydidit?
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Message 47 of 126 (538623)
12-08-2009 10:10 AM
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12-07-2009 10:49 PM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
thats exactly what i'm talking about. There was no life, then in this soup of 'goup', life evolved
No. You were talking about evidence for claims being made to school kids in the UK. And there is evidence for the claim that scientists believe 'x'. I suspect you agree there is, otherwise this conversation wouldn't be happening.
We have all the chemicals here, all the building blocks of life are right here, so you would expect that they could reproduce this amazing thing called 'life'
Unless children are being taught that scientists have done these things, it is not on topic. If you could show that school children are taught some origin of life theory as if it were factually demonstrated - then you'd be (at least somewhat) on topic. But I suspect you can't.
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Message 48 of 126 (538635)
12-08-2009 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by JJtheJester
10-20-2009 6:48 AM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
Jester writes:
Please let me know *which* subject this topic be covered in?
Probably Incoherent Philosophical Masturbation 101. Seriously, no one who honestly seeks to understand either science or religion would do so by pitting them one against the other. You merely risk teaching the children that evolution is somehow a religious concept, and that religion is in some way a science, neither of which are remotely true.
We also look at issues such as abortion and when does life begin ... this is a scientific question which has a bearing on what people believe to be right.
Believe all they want; no amount of thinking makes an apple of an orange.
Let me ask you, what religions do you specifically cover in your class?
Jon

[O]ur tiny half-kilogram rock just compeltely fucked up our starship. - Rahvin

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Dr Jack
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Message 49 of 126 (538655)
12-08-2009 5:55 PM
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12-07-2009 7:26 PM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
ok, so if we look at what evolutionists teach, it should be able to be tested and varified like gravity can. Gravity can be demonstrated, tested, and proved in the lab and elsewhere.
As indeed, it can.
so tell me, does the evidence support the evolution of life from inanimate chemicals? Has that be tested in a lab and has it been proved that inanimate chemicals can make the leap from non living to living matter?
For the hundred, trillion, billionth time: EVOLUTION DOES NOT ADDRESS THE ORIGIN OF LIFE.
Why do Creationists struggle so with this insanely simple point?
And, in any case, we know for a cast iron fact that life emerged from non-life. We know, for a fact, no life 13.7 billion years and no life on earth 4.5 billion years ago. We also know that was life on Earth by 3 billion years ago, and probably 3.8 billion years ago. Therefore between these two times some kind of life emerged from non life.

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Message 50 of 126 (538672)
12-09-2009 5:27 AM
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12-08-2009 1:53 AM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
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Message 51 of 126 (538674)
12-09-2009 5:39 AM
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12-08-2009 5:11 AM


Re: Percydidit?
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Peg
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Message 52 of 126 (538676)
12-09-2009 5:49 AM
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12-08-2009 10:10 AM


Re: Do not mix science and religion
Modulous writes:
Unless children are being taught that scientists have done these things, it is not on topic.
what children need to be taught is that scientists HAVE ATTEMPTED these things and failed again and again and again and again...and why have they failed?
because its impossible for non living things to come to life. If all children are taught that in science class, i'll be happpy.
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Message 53 of 126 (538677)
12-09-2009 5:53 AM
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Re: Do not mix science and religion
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I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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Vacate
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Re: Percydidit?
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Peg
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Message 55 of 126 (538680)
12-09-2009 6:18 AM
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Re: Do not mix science and religion
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Message 56 of 126 (538682)
12-09-2009 6:29 AM
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Re: Do not mix science and religion
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Message 58 of 126 (538686)
12-09-2009 7:00 AM
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Re: Do not mix science and religion
Hi Peg, Mutate and Survive
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"A curious aspect of the theory of evolution is that everybody thinks he understands it." - Jacques Monod

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Message 59 of 126 (538687)
12-09-2009 7:03 AM
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Re: Do not mix science and religion
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I hunt for the truth
I am the one Orgasmatron, the outstretched grasping hand
My image is of agony, my servants rape the land
Obsequious and arrogant, clandestine and vain
Two thousand years of misery, of torture in my name
Hypocrisy made paramount, paranoia the law
My name is called religion, sadistic, sacred whore.
-Lyrics by Lemmy Kilmister of Motorhead

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Message 60 of 126 (538688)
12-09-2009 7:05 AM
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Re: Do not mix science and religion
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