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Author Topic:   The problem with creationism and god
BarackZero
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Message 37 of 109 (585420)
10-08-2010 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by bluescat48
10-18-2009 7:56 AM


Bluescat48: "Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. " - W T Young, 2008
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BarackZero:
By what authority this figure of "~90% correct" for "Evolution" is derived and how, nobody has begun to state.
Moreover, if in fact God did create the universe, "Creation" would be 100% correct. There is no degree of correctness. Either we have a Creator or we do not.
But by far the biggest mistake of Darwinists is the pretense that *something* has to be The Theory. If Darwinism goes out the door, *something* has to take its place immediately.
This is nonsense, but it is incessantly prattled by those who deem themselves *scientists.*
It is inherently unscientific. One must reject what simply does not work, irrespective of whether or not a better explanation is extant at that time.

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BarackZero
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Message 38 of 109 (585421)
10-08-2010 9:16 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by AdminNosy
11-18-2009 5:05 PM


Re: Topic
AdminNosy:
But (for both of you)
There are irreducibly complex systems.
We know how they can evolve.
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BarackZero:
Really?
Please provide the evolutionary biochemical pathway for the development of the human blood clotting mechanism.
Then show the evolutionary diagram from our nearest invertebrate ancestor to Homo sapiens, and label each and every branch by genus and species.

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BarackZero
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Message 44 of 109 (585473)
10-08-2010 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Huntard
10-08-2010 9:31 AM


You may CLAIM that evolution "does work" until Darwin comes home.
That does not make it so.
It "works" because millions of people have their lives and reputations heavily invested in it, and they continue to promote it at the tops of their lungs.
Nobody says "Gravity is as firm a theory as evolution."
Only the reverse pretense is parroted endlessly.

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BarackZero
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Message 45 of 109 (585474)
10-08-2010 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Dr Adequate
10-08-2010 10:53 AM


Re: Topic
Darwinists are nauseatingly arrogant and condescending.

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BarackZero
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Message 46 of 109 (585476)
10-08-2010 12:39 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Dr Adequate
10-08-2010 10:48 AM


DrInadequate:
Only it sounds to me like what you're actually describing is the Great Big False Dichotomy of creationists, whereby arguments against evolution are taken to be arguments for creationism.
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BarackZero:
The Great Big False Dichotomy truly is:
"Unless you can propose an alternative, then it's evolution, all the way down."
Like most of your friends here, you don't want to consider anything contrary to your own dogma.
You merely trivialize anything of that nature, and with it, the intellect and acumen of all who are not like you - *scientific and wise.*
Such an attitude as yours is most unscientific.

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BarackZero
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Message 59 of 109 (585799)
10-09-2010 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by jar
10-08-2010 1:09 PM


Re: Topic
Jar:
Nonsense.
Biblical Creationism explains nothing.
BarackZero:
Where did I mention Biblical Creationism?
Please point out that post.
Your error is the perennial error of Darwinists everywhere.
"If you don't have something better, don't say a word about Darwinism."
Sorry, but that is NOT science.
Darwinism may well be the best we have today. I do not contest that point. What I do contest is that Darwinists refuse to consider any points contrary to their insistent dogma. Sounds to me like Albert Einstein telling George LeMaitre that his theory of a Primordial Atom is just no good, because they couldn't have a beginning.
Nossir, it was an eternal and unchanging universe, by golly.
ALL SCIENTISTS agreed!
Jar:
The ONLY theory that is available currently that does explain the variety of life we see today as well as the FACT of Evolution is the Theory of Evolution.
Speaking to you as one Christian to another, supporting Biblical Creationism does absolutely nothing but force ignorance upon our children and is a denial to use the gifts the very GOD you seem to believe in gave you.
Barack:
There you go again, making statements and then foisting them upon me. Terribly unscientific of you.
Now if you wish to discuss who is "forcing ignorance" upon whom, you should at least begin with something factual - something we can both agree on, which I said. This you failed miserably to do.
And you call yourself a "Christian"?
Now, as to which of us understands science and reality better, I'll go first.
Nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy concerns itself with identifying organic compounds by measuring the resonance signals emitted by the tested hydrogen compound relative to tetramethyl silane, or TMS, which is arbitrarily 0.
I have conducted research while using an NMR.
Biblical Creationism is not a subject I discuss. YOU brought it up.
I deal with science.

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BarackZero
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Message 61 of 109 (585801)
10-09-2010 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by Omnivorous
10-08-2010 4:38 PM


Re: *Welcome*
Omnivorous:
Hey, welcome to EvC! Oh boy, fresh mea...point of view!
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Does that *stuff* impress the girls at your high school?
BarackZero responds, possibly for the last time, to you:
You're not the first leftist to feign intellectual supremacy.
You just think you're clever. You began by "welcoming" me here, and quickly made the transition to insults, condescension, and pretension. You're really masterful at all of them. But then again, you're in a den full of such people.
You got me. I'm really only 11. I concede.
Your overwhelming brilliance in incontestable.
Then again, so is Al Gore's, Barack Obama's, Bill Clinton's, and on and on.
What a lovely and *diverse* group of people frequent this pond.
Who wouldn't want to enter, and either regurgitate the same things you always repeat endlessly, or else be ridiculed ad nauseum, notwithstanding the "Rules" and their intentions.

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