Unintelligent design (recurrent laryngeal nerve)

And who says it wasn't functioning when the pathways weren't as they are now? Remember, "different" does not mean "non-functoining".

I wonder how long until "They're still plants/They're still bacteria/They're still flies". comes up.

Are you suggesting that no one on the evolutionary side of this debate is willing to play devils advocate for even a moment?If this forum comprised exclusively of evolutionists then you must acknowledge that the thread would make for a poor debate(and poorer science) on the subject if no one is willing to weigh up the pros and cons. This suggests to me that your argument is made from a position of weakness and that you are adopting a tribal mentality in your responses.Your response also smacks of "let the creationists come up with their ideas and we can knock them down".

So what you're asking is: pretend that gravity does not cause the Moon to orbit the Earth. What else could it be? can you not see just how ridiculous this is? And you are accusing us of poor science?I repeat:The question is, why are *YOU* so scared of the explanation given? Why are *YOU* so pressured into ignoring the world-wide collective knowledge of developmental biology? Why are *YOU* so unable to accept the findings of good science.The answer is, of course, your adherence to 4000 year-old shepherds' tales.

Yep, thanks for noticing!--Percy

Why would we need to do that? If the creationists would support their ideas with evidence, we wouldn;t be able to knock them down.

Gravity does not cause the moon to orbit the Earth! It's the bending of the space time fabric caused by the Earth that keeps the moon in orbit.I hope this illustrates my point.

And scientists (and others too I'sd say) refer to this "bending of the space time fabric caused by the Earth" as gravity.

Maybe you could propose a new thread over at Proposed New Topics to discuss the evolution of the circulatory system? This thread is about whether the recurrent laryngeal nerve is really an example of unintelligent design.--Percy

I don't know, this is the first time you've expressed a desire for an evolutionist to play devil's advocate for you. Now that you've made this desire clear maybe someone will volunteer. Or maybe not. It's not. Creationists in just this thread alone are you, traderdrew and ICDESIGN.If you'd like to resume actually discussing the topic then perhaps you could tell us what the principles of ID tell you that ID scientists should be looking for regarding the RLN? What reconstructions of the design and implementation process do the principles and evidence allow you to make? What does the evidence tell you about the designer himself, and how does it help you find evidence of the designer?And if you don't wish to resume discussing the topic then, well, could you resume discussing it anyway?--Percy

And that is what we call gravity. Given that General Relativity happens to be my area of professional expertise, I tend to know these things... Nope

I repeat:The question is, why are *YOU* so scared of the explanation given? Why are *YOU* so pressured into ignoring the world-wide collective knowledge of developmental biology? Why are *YOU* so unable to accept the findings of good science.The answer is, of course, your adherence to 4000 year-old shepherds' tales.

And Slevesque. You're getting less astue Percy! First the wrong forum, and now skipping one of your own admins! Tsk tsk.

Ok...I am gonna check out the Is it science and Human Origins threads. After all, my member rating is not going to improve by sticking around here.

This is one of your proofs Crash? I'm not sure if I should laugh or puke. A fly is a fly. It always has been and thats all it ever will be. you haven't given me anything to respond to but a bunch of evo-babble in this entire post. If you were even a fraction as smart as you think you are you would understand that if Macro-evolution had been taking place all this time we would be surrounded by millions and millions of transitional forms. Is that what we see in the REAL world? No it isn't. We see every species staying within its own kind just like the bible has clearly stated all along. I mean go back and read the foolish examples you just gave me. You've got to be kidding. Your waisting my time Crash & burn.