Unintelligent design (recurrent laryngeal nerve)

So what your telling me then is that if the designs had been designed as you claim they should have been, then you would believe in an intelligent designer? Is that what your saying?

Yes. If living things on Earth were perfect across every conceivable dimension, that would be strong evidence for them being the special creation of a perfect, infinite being, assuming that being could be substantiated to actually exist.

Disease is a whole other topic Crash.
I noticed not one person has offered any resource of step by step explanation of how all the systems developed into place that I asked for in post 420. Lets go back to that. I want to focus on that.

Well, do you understand how that's a tall order for a discussion thread? You listed a dozen systems. Evolutionary history goes back several billion years, and here's the kicker - since you don't know any biology, you have no idea how these systems actually work. So explaining how they evolved means explaining to you how they work.Studying even a small part of the function of even one of these systems could be the subject of a person's Ph.D. thesis. Do you understand why, after one hour, no one might yet have posted the explanations you're looking for?You've asked for something well beyond the scope of an internet discussion forum. We can't even make a post long enough to explain the origin of even one of the systems you listed, simply due to software limitations. Sounds great! Let me know when you have a Ph.D in biology and biochemistry.

I provided it in the video you didn't watch.But then the purpose of creation "science" is to ignore, deny, or misrepresent data. Business as usual.

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Crash
You don't understand the consequences of sin and rebellion against God. His creation has a temporary curse that will be lifted in the future.You have plenty of proof right in front of you so that you are without excuse. I don't believe you when you say you would believe if it was all perfect. I think you would give all the credit to evolution having worked it all out after enough time.I'm still praying for you Crash. See ya later

As post-hoc explanations go, that's a pretty clumsy one. It doesn't even hold together on theological grounds, as theologians have long known. That's fair. I don't believe you'd accept evolution if we had all 2 billions years of it on video tape, so I guess we're even.

Oh really? Its obvious you have never read the book of Genesis chapter 3 where God placed the curse or the book of Revelation chapter 21 when things are made new again. Your so-called theologians are false teachers pal. But then all of your beliefs are obviously based on false information. You don't have two minutes of video tape proof to show observed Macro-evolution.

We actually have hundreds of examples of macroevolution, dozens of examples of speciation we've observed.

Yes that IS a tall order isn't it? Because everything I have seen written takes these huge leaps without explaining the HOW of everything in between I'm looking for broad strokes and general terms of how a system got from point A to a functioning system. Moreover, I would like to know how the organizm survived with a non-functioning system along the way.
I know we can't go over all these systems here but if you would have paid attention I asked for a resource. I don't need a Ph.D to understand basic functions. Lets look at the Skeletal system as a beginning point. Why would natural selection and random mutations
develope the skull, all the bones and joints and place them in perfect position with the obvious purpose in which they are there to perform. Why would this purpose be fulfilled without the knowledge that it was needed? How did it piece together?
The question why is begged with every single system. Never mind how for now. I want to know why?

you sir, are a bald faced liar! Name one CLEARCUT example of Macro-evolution. One species into a completely different species thats been observed and agreed by scientist's that it is indeed a different species. Hundreds my ass.

Who says it wasn't functioning along the way? Because it conveyed an advantage when it came to surviving and reproducing.

OK then. How would the Circulatory system function if all the pathways were not complete, for one small example?

No, actually, I'm just better informed than you. Observed Instances of Speciation

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While studying the genetics of the evening primrose, Oenothera lamarckiana, de Vries (1905) found an unusual variant among his plants. O. lamarckiana has a chromosome number of 2N = 14. The variant had a chromosome number of 2N = 28. He found that he was unable to breed this variant with O. lamarckiana. He named this new species O. gigas.

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Boraas (1983) reported the induction of multicellularity in a strain of Chlorella pyrenoidosa (since reclassified as C. vulgaris) by predation. He was growing the unicellular green alga in the first stage of a two stage continuous culture system as for food for a flagellate predator, Ochromonas sp., that was growing in the second stage. Due to the failure of a pump, flagellates washed back into the first stage. Within five days a colonial form of the Chlorella appeared. It rapidly came to dominate the culture. The colony size ranged from 4 cells to 32 cells. Eventually it stabilized at 8 cells. This colonial form has persisted in culture for about a decade. The new form has been keyed out using a number of algal taxonomic keys. They key out now as being in the genus Coelosphaerium, which is in a different family from Chlorella.

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Meffert and Bryant (1991) used houseflies to test whether bottlenecks in populations can cause permanent alterations in courtship behavior that lead to premating isolation. They collected over 100 flies of each sex from a landfill near Alvin, Texas. These were used to initiate an ancestral population. From this ancestral population they established six lines. Two of these lines were started with one pair of flies, two lines were started with four pairs of flies and two lines were started with sixteen pairs of flies. These populations were flushed to about 2,000 flies each. They then went through five bottlenecks followed by flushes. This took 35 generations. Mate choice tests were performed. One case of positive assortative mating was found. One case of negative assortative mating was also found.

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Or there's the 200,000 results available by a standard literature search on "speciation observed".Macroevolution not only incontrovertably happened in the past, it incontrovertably continues to happen. It's impossible for it not to; there's no genetic barrier that would prevent two populations from developing a genetic barrier.

It might function like it functions in today's insects, who have open circulatory systems.