Unintelligent design (recurrent laryngeal nerve)

Why isn't it obvious that the RLN is the way it is because that's how it evolved?There's a great explanation for it in Message 37, thanks to Granny.Isn't that much more plausible than "It really was designed but we just haven't found out the reason yet"?Esspecially with the Giraffes... I mean, that does make the design pretty terrible. And that their RLN does the same thing as everyone elses really strongly suggests that we're related, dontcha think? To reuse such a poor plan in such a large neck really makes the designer look umm, not intelligent.

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ABE:in Message 113 you wrote: Why can't you see that it really implies that it wasn't designed at all? And further, that it did, in fact, evolve?Not every single thing has to have been specifically designed? Why couldn't the designer allow some things to evolve?Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.

Forget the overall picture for a second and consider just this piece of evidence. The evolutionary explanation is much better than any explanation where this POS was intelligently designed, don't you think?Now, back to your overall picture... It seems you've got a false dichotomy behind you. Why couldn't something be designed to evolve? Its not necessarily an either/or proposition.Also, when you have an overall picture (where evolutionary theory is inadequate and design is more fitting) and you zoom in all the way down to the gnat's ass, (or the RLN in this case), and you find that evolutionary theory IS more adequate and fitting than design, isn't that an indication that maybe your overall picture is skewed?Honestly, from the view from my car, it really does look like the water was designed to fit within the pothole

Do you think you're more or less sure than the church was when they imprisoned Galileo for his 'facts' on heliocentrism?

But that doesn't fit at all.You said that you're denying evolution because you don't want to marry to the 'facts' of today. The analogy is the church not wanting to marry to heliocentrism, it doesn't work the other way around. Otherwise, you would be married to the 'fact' of creationism and then its no longer an excuse to why you don't accept evolution.

Oh okay, I see. I did misunderstand you.Why would accepting the ToE make you let go of theism and christianity? But the Bible says that the Earth is immovable (1 Chronicles 16:30)Heh, or what about a talking snake? You don't really think there was a global flood, do you?If you can accept heliocentrism then you should be able to accept evolution.And the way you talk about evolution, its sounds as if you think its going to be disproven one day?

So much for the topic. Let's carry on until we get Moosed. Not necessarily. It could be that there was a historical original sin and that Genesis is an allegorical, or metaphorical, account of it. Genesis having errors doesn't necessitate that the factual event didn't occur. Is it all good if losing genesis doesn't mean losing original sin?Regardless, Jesus sacrificed himself for an evolved mankind. Yeah. The entire planet has never been floaded since mankind has been here. Do you think it had vocal cords or something? Or do you think it was just magic noise?I think its a little goofy. It sure does seem like allegory. Has no effect at all? Remeber Galileo!The ToE is the same as heliocentrism was. When they're fresh, they're such a huge implication to the very core, in hindsight they're no effect at all. What's the problem then? Common ancestry?I had a post a ways back about an article talking about "culture" having kind of a rapid bloom, rather than a drawn out process, or something like that, but it kinda seemed like mankind "waking up". It seemed like something The Fall could have been allegorical to.

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From Message 178: Oh, okay. I'll bite.In Message 162 you claim: No, you're wrong. If the nerves were rearranged and connected directly, then it would be easier for us to speak and swallow. The way they have been currently designed makes it harder for us. Therefore the great designer has shown us that he made a mistake in this design.

Wierd, cause the medical fact I've found from the site that I linked to before, namely nervenews, had this to say: "We have found that the loss of the recurrance of the laryngeal nerve leads to greater vocal ranges and a larger dilation of the esophogus." So clearly, it IS an advantage.

That's saying that the tension is increasing in the larynx, not the recurrent laryngeal nerve!

This is a debate site. We come here to debate. We don't come here to agree to disagree. We don't come here to read unevidenced assertions. You've brought a baseball to a chessmatch.

That doesn't have anything to do with the nerve being recurrent or not. Either way, recurrent or not, if you damage the nerve then those problems are gonna happen.Strike two.

Posture & Biomechanics

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Effect of Nerves
Before we go into the problems of muscles we need to remember the nerve structures. Current research has reminded us that muscles and tendons are not the only things that have to stretch and slide as the body moves. Nerves have been the forgotten ingredients over many decades of sports therapy. Nerves have to be free to move with every action and before each muscle stretches the nerve or its coverings (meninges) will stretch first. The interesting thing to remember is any bruising around areas where nerves exit from the spine (such as after a whiplash injury) or where nerves pass through muscles (such as after a fall), can cause adhesions around the nerve coverings and stop the necessary movement. What happens then? Well when nerves are caught up through adhesions or scarring and prevented from moving they get very irritated. The first thing an irritated nerve does is to start to send messages to the muscles to tighten up. So the vicious cycle starts. Tight nerves lead to tight muscles. This is called Neuromeningeal tension.

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Apparently the Jonas Brothers:Is there anything that's NOT on these internets

You were doing a fine job of being wrong all by yourself, but we do what we can

No offense to you personally, but I don't like your "take a step back" approach.We're disgussing a specific problem with the pathe the RLN takes: and you're discussing Dysteleology in general.Apparently you don't have anything to help with the specific discussion that this thread is about.Its like in my thread: Theropods and Birds showing a change in kinds, where you avoided the specific case presented and took a step back to discuss genotype/phenotype relationships.It just seems like you're avoiding discussing the actual issues...{/end rant}