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Message 294 of 480 (566422)
06-24-2010 3:59 PM 		Reply to: Message 290 by slevesque
06-24-2010 3:47 PM

Re: rant on slevesque
are now saying that the indirect route is actually less efficient. And if this is so, and there are no secondary functions to counter-act, then natural selection would have selected against it and in favor of the direct route. Which comes back to the original question: Why hasn't it done so in the past millions of years ?
Because "less efficient" can be "good enough" and sometimes thats all it takes to pass on a trait.
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06-24-2010 4:50 PM 		Reply to: Message 298 by slevesque
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Re: rant on slevesque
passing on the trait isn't sufficient
Why isn't it sufficient? If "good enough" works then why must "perfect" eventually come about?
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06-24-2010 8:47 PM 		Reply to: Message 308 by slevesque
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But it's logical to expect that natural selection fixes the best traits available.

Yes in the long long long run, but what if the best traits available are the "good enough" traits? Once the RNL is "good enough" what would cause it to become "perfect" or even "slightly better than good enough"?
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07-05-2010 12:23 AM 		Reply to: Message 426 by ICdesign
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Re: burden of proof
IF THE HUMAN BODY IS NOT GENIUS DESIGN THEN PLEASE GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT YOU CONSIDER A GENIUS DESIGN TO BE.
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Sure: Great white shark - Wikipedia. Can you grow to over 20ft in length and up to 5000lbs? Can you dive to 4000ft below the ocean unasisted? Can you live in the water your entire life, filitering the oxygen you need to breather from the water around you? I thought not.
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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor
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07-05-2010 12:41 AM 		Reply to: Message 433 by ICdesign
07-05-2010 12:35 AM

Re: burden of proof
No but I can drive my Vet at over a 100mph through the mountians
You need assitance to travel? the great white can travel the world all on his own.
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Lets see him go on line and communicate with others all around the world.
Lets see you hop into the ocean naked and unarmed and be at the top of the food chain.
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It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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