Questions about the living cell

Questions for evolutionists about the living cell.1. What was the origin of the information now utilized in the transcription/translation/replication to produce protiens?2. Since the helicase (protein) is required to open the double helix for the process mentioned above in order to produce other helicase proteins then what is the origin of the first helicase?3. Where does nature develop chromatin outside of already existing living organisms?I would prefer that each of you answer by stating:1. opinion2. factThank you. This will be appreciated.

Thread copied here from the Questions about the living cell thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

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1. What was the origin of the information now utilized in the transcription/translation/replication to produce protiens?

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It's quite impossible to answer this question without knowing what you mean by "information." Hopefully your definition will be more helpful and less fluid than your definition of "kind."

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas JeffersonFor we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Calypsis,Answers to questions to 1-3 are I don't know.Can you answer them based on the same format you expect us to?Mark

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't

My opinion: a slow build-up of increasingly complex chemical evolution, the nature of which we don't understand yet, and may never know for certain.Fact: the facts are not in yet, but scientists are working on it. My opinion: enzymes like helicase are catalysts, which means that they speed up chemical and physico-chemical processes. The double helix might have opened up via a different pathway before the advent of helicase, or the helicase might have been built from an RNA sequence instead of a DNA sequence, in an RNA world.Fact: the facts are not in yet, same thing. My opinion: probably nowhere. It may have evolved inside living cells before they started organising their DNA in nuclei and started utilising certain proteins that happened to be of some help in it.Fact: it wouldn't surprise me if my "probably nowhere" happened to be a fact, but I'm not sure. So, better safe than sorry: the facts are not in yet. You're welcome. We're not all rotters, you see.
Nice picture, by the way.

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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

Try the information in the DNA.I explained the creationist defintion of kind. Why need I belabor the point? We most commonly associate 'kind' with 'family' as in kingdom; phylum;class; order; family...I will admit we are not 'married' to the Linneaus classification system but 'family' is closest.

Yes, with no problem.1. All genetic information was created by Almighty God within living organisms at creation. Nature did not develop it. Nature is incapable of developing it outside of already existing living organisms. Nature can only do what it is programed to do by the one who programed it; the Lord.2. The machinery of nature was created 'as is' and almost none of it would function were the working parts not assembled and the power switched on by another force. Again, that is the Lord.3. See the above. Nature doesn't create/make chromatin anywhere outside of existing DNA coded living organisms.Have a nice day.

Well, in fact, Bacteria do not have histones (the proteins that bind DNA into chromatin in Eukaryotes), and some Archaea have histones, but less complicated versions than the Eukarya. So, like so many other things presented as too complicated to evolve we in fact find a continuum of complexity extant in living organisms.

Thank you. That was an honest answer.Question: So scientists are working on it; but why isn't nature doing it?

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Try the information in the DNA.

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You can't use the word "information" in defining "information." Try again. What do you mean by "information" in the DNA?

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas JeffersonFor we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Why?Thank you for your response.

That's not quite what mark24 asked. He asked you to answer in the same format you expect of us. It seems you only gave us your opinions. Can you also provide some facts?

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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin.

Do you consider those answers facts or opinions?On what evidence do you base those answers?

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Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. -- Thomas JeffersonFor we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Why what?

ACTG or U as may be the case as it is found in DNA in such a fashion as to produce proteins essential for life.Furthermore, what was the origin of the tiny machinery that was necessary to produce the first cells and where does/did nature make such tools/machinery?I would kindly suggest you watch this short video clip before answering.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41_Ne5mS2ls&feature=relatedThank you for your responses.The problem:Evolutionist: "I am going to make a sledge hammer"
Friend: "With what?"
Evolutionist: "With a machine that makes hammers"
Friend: "Where will you get such a machine?"
Evolutionist: "I will make one"
Friend: "With what?"
Evolutionist: "With hammers"