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Butterflytyrant
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Message 372 of 453 (645287)
12-25-2011 12:09 AM
Reply to: Message 355 by Possessor
10-26-2011 11:45 AM


one of my favourites...
And you must remember that these people were probally smarter than You
This is one of my favourite comments made by creationists.
The people back then were smarter, thats how they were able to do these wonderful things.
Then they forgot everything they had learned?
Or they decided to teach the people who followed them LESS EFFECTIVE means of building boats?
really?

I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong
Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot
"Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson
2011 leading candidate for the EvC Forum Don Quixote award

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Butterflytyrant
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Message 374 of 453 (645290)
12-25-2011 1:49 AM
Reply to: Message 371 by Portillo
12-24-2011 10:53 PM


specifics?
Mammals - 3,500
Mammals range in size from the blue whale down to the smallest most likely being one of the small species of bat or perhaps the dwarf shrew.
So saying that they could fit 3500 mammals on the arc is a bit unspecific dont you think.
Also, the ranges of the different mammals can be quite large, what do you think the cage sizes of 3500 mammals would be? And the food storage?
Reptiles and Amphibians - 5,500
this seems quite low. There are an awful lot of reptiles and amphibians. In your opinion, as they mostly fit into the category of reptiles, were the dinosaurs aboard? Some dinosaurs were on the large size. How did Noah manage to handle a brachiasaurus pair? Plus all of their food.
Fishes - 18,000
that really is low. Which fish do you think made the cut? Which fish do you think made it? the sharks? rays? Lobe finned? How were they transported? I would think that putting 2 whale sharks in a tank would be quite difficult. How did the fresh water water fish go?
Did God explain to Noah that many species of fish require different water pressures and temperatures to survive? How did Noah pressurise the tanks for the fish from great depths?
Tunicates, etc - 1,700
God saw fit to save 1700 species of sea squirts? God must have fucking love those little bastards.
Echinoderms - 4700
So God wanted to save almost as many species, mostly of starfish, sea stars, brittle stars, urchins etc as reptiles and amphibians combined. He must have loved these guys almost as much as he loves the sea squirts. Considering that this phylum contains only marine species who would most likely survive being underwater anyway it seems off he went to the trouble of saving more than half of the know species.
Arthropods 815,000
well at least the arthropods got a pretty good deal. Considering that other arthropods are the main food source for many arthropods, how was feeding organised?
Mollusks - 88,000
not bad, as long as the squids and slugs get their place. How do reckon they kept the giant squid in its tank?
Worms, etc - 25,000
God must have loved worms too.
Coelenterates, etc - 10,000
10 000 species of fucking jellies? Really? God traded a reptile or amphibian for a jelly?
Sponges - 5,000
Sponges. You seriously expect us to belive that God chose 5 000 species of sponges. I like sponges as much as the next guy but I reckon they are bit overrepresented in this list.
Protozoans - 15,000
How did Noah gather these single celled critters? How were they kept? How did God choose one species over another?
the total given is 1 000 000. That is only 500 000 species of animals. So in the time from the flood to now, the currect species have evolved from the ones from the ark. The most conservative estimate of species I can find is 3 million species. So in a few thousand years, 2.5 million new species have evolved from the 500 000 on the ark?
Damn those creationist websites can twist Ernst Mayr and his work.
Most pages are advising that he is the worlds leading biologist (or taxonomist, systematic biologist etc ) even though he is dead. He was a leading scientist, but not for a while now.
One creationist webpage proudly used his data along with this information -
quote:
According to Ernest Mayr, America’s leading taxonomist (deceased), there are over 1 million species of animals in the world.
Not only do they get his name wrong, but there are currently over 1 million identified species of invertebrates alone. This info is a bit old.
For those reasons and many, many more I dont think your list can be taken seriously.

I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong
Butterfly, AKA, mallethead - Dawn Bertot
"Superstitions and nonsense from the past should not prevent us from making progress. If we hold ourselves back, we admit that our fears are more powerful than our abilities." Hunters of Dune Herbert & Anderson
2011 leading candidate for the EvC Forum Don Quixote award

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