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Peg Member (Idle past 4957 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
Straggler writes: No.I am asking you how I can access this objective and absolute morality that you tell me exists in order to answer such questions? absolute morality only works if everyone agrees what it is and to abide by it. Our world shows that they do not. Jesus provided a perfect model for absolute morality - 'Love' If we all treated each other with love, then absolute morality could exist.
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Peg Member (Idle past 4957 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
Hyroglyphx writes: That's an interesting theory considering half of the bible is about how God is completely partial to Israel, his chosen one's, the apple of his eye, etc, etc. He commanded Israel to destroy any nation that got in the way of his plan, any nation who he deemed sinful and corrupt, any nation that worshiped false gods, including Israelites itself which defiled Israel's purpose. but he actually wasnt partial to them. The law allowed for people of any nation to join isreal in the worship of God. The reason why 1 nation was chosen back then was because God was sending his son who had to be born into a nation who worshiped God in the correct way. The purpose of the Messiah was to atone for the sin of Adam so that All of Adams descendents could have an approach to God. Once that Messiah arrived, he stood in place of the Mosaic law so that all nations could worship God thru him. So the reality is that Isreal was chosen for a specific purpose, not because God thought they were better but because true worship needed a model and they were the ones chosen to model it. However, now that we have Jesus, he has become the model for worship and so we follow him instead.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
The reason why 1 nation was chosen back then was because God was sending his son who had to be born into a nation who worshiped God in the correct way. I'm not familiar with that verse, or at least can't think recall it. Can you please provide the verse(s) that corroborate your claim?
The purpose of the Messiah was to atone for the sin of Adam so that All of Adams descendents could have an approach to God. Once that Messiah arrived, he stood in place of the Mosaic law so that all nations could worship God thru him. What does that have to do with the fact that he's partial to Israel? Yes, according to scripture all people can come and worship, but that is not what we are discussing. We're talking about how he is partial to Israel and Israel's interests.
quote: Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given. "The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms." - Samual Adams
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Peg Member (Idle past 4957 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
Hyroglyphx writes: We're talking about how he is partial to Israel and Israel's interests. do you really think that God would send his son to a people who participated in vile acts and who practiced satanic forms of worship? he needed a group of people who knew him and knew how to worship him acceptable, on top of that, he wanted to send his son to a clean, holy pure nation because his son was holy, clean and pure. He chose Isreal because they were the descendents of his friend Abraham. So he sent them his laws and prepared them for the arrival of the Messiah. This is why the mosaic law was so strict when it came to justice. The nation needed to be clean from everything that God considered immoral. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3266 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
So, you're claiming that Jesus couldn't play to a hostile crowd? So, the churches that send out missionaries to "heathens" who don't know God and practice "satanic forms of worship" are somehow better than God is at preparing their missionaries?
Wouldn't it be a better advocation of God's power and rightness if he sent his son (the one he needs to be executed and tortured) to people who didn't know him, and still have him convince a large enough portion of his power and rightness to create a major religion? How does sending someone to a group of people who are predisposed to believe the types of things he's showing any sign of his power? Is a magician considered better if he can convince a group of kids who are predisposed to believe what they are shown and in magic in general, or if he goes to a group of other magicians who know other ways of doing the same trick, but are still impressed by his tricks?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
becasue Jesus showed that the purpose of the kingdom was to bring about the end of the wars of the nations. Jesus showed that all who would live under the kingdom arrangement would do so by living in peace and loving their enemies. "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword." --- Jesus of Nazareth, Matthew 10.
Also, God does not take sides in wars because he views all mankind as one group, not as separate nations. he does not suffer from nationalism the way we do. He is not partial. Haven't you ever read the Bible?
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 312 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
The nation needed to be clean from everything that God considered immoral. I.e. pork, shellfish, cloth woven out of two kinds of thread, and people who pick up sticks on Saturday.
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4217 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Peg writes: He chose Isreal because they were the descendents of his friend Abraham. So what about Abraham's other decendents, Ismael & Esau? There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002 Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969 Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4045 Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
I.e. pork, shellfish, cloth woven out of two kinds of thread, and people who pick up sticks on Saturday. Don't forget mixing meat and cheese. That's a doosey. My delicious roast beef and swiss sandwiches are an abomination before the LORD...and it tickles me.
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
Peg writes: Jesus provided a perfect model for absolute morality - 'Love' If we all treated each other with love, then absolute morality could exist. For some people love is caring for someone, and doing what you think is the best for them. Others think it is respecting their wishes even if you disagree with them. Still others think it is whipping them and stomping on their reproductive organs while wearing a gas mask. "Love" is not a basis for absolute morality. What you are proposing is an arbitrary theocracy, nothing more.
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Peg Member (Idle past 4957 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
Phage0070 writes: What you are proposing is an arbitrary theocracy and whats wrong with theocracy? At least its consistent and everyone knows what it is. People come and go along with their standards Gods standards are always stable.
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Peg Member (Idle past 4957 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
Perdition writes: Wouldn't it be a better advocation of God's power and rightness if he sent his son (the one he needs to be executed and tortured) to people who didn't know him, and still have him convince a large enough portion of his power and rightness to create a major religion? He did....they are called Gentiles and the christian church today is mostly made up of gentiles. And whats more, Jesus didnt even need to be here to bring them into his church.
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
Peg writes:
The countless sects and interpretations of morality and God's law and intentions disagree with everyone knowing what it is. Also, the interpretations have changed so it isn't consistent. There is no way of figuring out what God's standards might be given that nobody can even prove his existence. I am starting to wonder if you even thought about what you typed. At least its consistent and everyone knows what it is. People come and go along with their standards Gods standards are always stable. That being said, theocracy is the worst possible method of justifying a moral framework simply because it is based on a lie. Ideally morality would be based on what is good for the whole, or what the society in general agrees to be appropriate. A poor basis would be "Because it makes me happy". The worst basis is "I am the mouthpiece of God, my dreams are law". Theocracy anyone?
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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4217 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
Peg writes: and whats wrong with theocracy? Ever check out Spain at the time of the inquisition, Germany at the time of Martin Luther or Afghanistan under the Taliban? Martin Luther was a fugitive, not only under the church, but under civil law as well. In a Theocracy, only those who adhere to the state Religious sect are true citizens, everyone else is either considered a less that total citizen or is persecuted.
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Peg Member (Idle past 4957 days) Posts: 2703 From: melbourne, australia Joined: |
bluescat writes: In a Theocracy, only those who adhere to the state Religious sect are true citizens, everyone else is either considered a less that total citizen or is persecuted. well to be realistic, theocracy is an oxymoron its impossible to for man to institute what is only institutable by God. Theocracy means 'God Rule' how can we say God is ruling if man is the one administering it? Its impossible. But it wont be impossible if God actually institutes & administers it...then no man will dominate over any other man... all mankind will be answerable to God alone and God will be the one to administer the justice. So those nations who say they are theocratic are not really theorcratic. they are just using religion to administer their own rule. God is not really ruling them. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.
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