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Message 16 of 87 (126158)
07-21-2004 3:26 AM
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07-21-2004 1:56 AM


Hey Wecome Back
Long time no see, Rox. We need you around here.

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Message 17 of 87 (126401)
07-21-2004 11:29 PM
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02-03-2004 3:39 PM


Alright, I'll attempt to provide my two cents in here.
Generally no, because then they have to explain all the Precambrian fossils, & they can't.
Does Precambrian rock include any strata? I was not aware of any fossilized organisms other than bacteria and such in rock below the sandstone strata.

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Message 18 of 87 (126402)
07-21-2004 11:32 PM
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07-20-2004 4:48 PM


Why did the flood happen?
According to the hydroplate theory a chamber of water between the basalt and granite layers of crust formed and increased in pressure until a crack in the upper crust formed causing a chain of events to occur.

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Message 19 of 87 (126405)
07-21-2004 11:43 PM
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07-21-2004 11:32 PM


Not an answer. That's more the how according to the Gospel of Hydroplate.
What I was wondering is "why did it happen?"

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Message 20 of 87 (126407)
07-21-2004 11:47 PM
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07-20-2004 5:12 PM


How long was the period from Eden to Flud?
According to the Bible, which is the only written record that describes any events prior to 3000 B.C., the time period would have been about 1200 years, I think.
Was there time enough in those pre-Tertiary days to build reefs 500 meters thick from slow-growing corals?
Don't know.
Was there time enough to deposit all the coal in Pennsylvania?
I saw a documentary about a geologist (forgot his name) that did a master's thesis on how he supposed coal might form. It turns out after Mt. St. Helens blew up his predictions came true. A peat bog has formed at the bottom of a lake where hundreds thousands of trees have been washed. The trees rubbed the bark off of one another as they jostled against each other. The resulting bog on the lake bottom is many meters thick. Another eruption or mud flow could easily bury the peat and pressurize it to become coal. Some of the coal would be rolled away in such an event, which might explain the coal balls we see today. Some trees have reched neutral or negative boyancy and are floating up through the layers of this bog, which would explain why we find trees standing up through coal layers today. Anyways, if all the pre-flood world's trees were swept away and floated on the surface in large mats and then eventually came to rest on postflood lakes, this could explain the coal deposits we see today.
How about to lay down 2500 meters of laminated shale/sandstone in the Delaware Basin?
The HP theory predicts much erosian at the edge of the hydroplates which would eventually cover the continents to varying thickness with sediments, which would then be layered by liquefaction. This would explain the many many occurances of milimeter thick alternating layers of sandstone that have been bent and contorted without cracking or crumbling.
The White Cliffs of Dover?
There is a process by which limestone can form quickly, but first I'd have to know... are the white cliffs of dover when analyzed diatomacious in nature or not? I'll have to look this up somewhere, if nobody knows. I have heard of thick layered limestone deposits similar that are not diatomacious.

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Message 21 of 87 (126409)
07-21-2004 11:52 PM
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07-21-2004 11:29 PM


oes Precambrian rock include any strata? I was not aware of any fossilized organisms other than bacteria and such in rock below the sandstone strata.
They've even named a new geological period - the Ediacaran (formerly also called Vendian) because there are such a variety of fossils from just before the Cambrian. Many are bacterial/algal, but many more are multicellular. It's just pretty tough to decide what, if any, more modern forms many of them are related to. And the strata, even long before that, are present - they're harder to find because so many rocks that old have been reworked into new rock or gobbled up by plate tectonics.
And there are sandstones all through the geologic column - from last week back to the first appearance of moving water.

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Message 22 of 87 (126410)
07-21-2004 11:53 PM
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07-21-2004 11:43 PM


That's more the how according to the Gospel of Hydroplate.
What I was wondering is "why did it happen?"
IF in fact ZPE is increasing and the speed of light was faster and therefore decay rates were faster in the past, much heat would have been generated by radioactive decay warming the cold earth's core causing hydrates to release their H2O's and water would begin to saturate the crust. Springs would form all over the surface like we see today in black smokers. Since the pressure is so great under 10 miles of granite, water would not be able to seep up from the bottom, but would pool between the granite and basalt.
This is a bit of my own hypothsizing. You need not reply.

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Message 23 of 87 (126411)
07-21-2004 11:58 PM
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07-20-2004 6:46 PM


The Dove brought back an olive branch so with all this upheaval, the olive trees were surely buried with the rest. Be sure an olive branch takes years to grow
Not everything would have been buried. Many things would have floated.

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Message 24 of 87 (126412)
07-21-2004 11:59 PM
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07-21-2004 1:56 AM


So then how would you explain the Permian extinction event?
How many meters of sediment is the deepest Permian rock found?

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Message 25 of 87 (126414)
07-22-2004 12:04 AM
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07-21-2004 11:47 PM


There is a process by which limestone can form quickly, but first I'd have to know... are the white cliffs of dover when analyzed diatomacious in nature or not? I'll have to look this up somewhere, if nobody knows.
Foraminifera throughout, as I remember it - certainly biogenic. And the Cliffs themselves dont represent the whole thickness of the Chalk in the subsurface.
of milimeter thick alternating layers of sandstone that have been bent and contorted without cracking or crumbling.
The Permian shale/sand in the Delaware alternates layers of organic-rich shale - from silt and microscopic sea life - with sand that was worked by wind, not water. Desert sand. 2500 meters thick in the center of the basin, with millimeter-scale laminations throughout. And it's localized to the Permian-era basin just south of the reef that makes up El Capitan. Nothing whatever to do with Walt Brown's "liquefaction."

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Message 26 of 87 (126416)
07-22-2004 12:05 AM
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07-21-2004 11:52 PM


And the strata, even long before that, are present -
Well, the HP theory hypothesizes that all layered strata was laid down by the flood.
Well, I shouldn't say all.... but for the deeper layers, all.
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jar
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Message 27 of 87 (126417)
07-22-2004 12:09 AM
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07-21-2004 11:53 PM


I'm still having some troubles explaining myself. Not unsual, I'm old and slow.
You're still dealing with the hows. Biblical Flood. Why did it happen?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 28 of 87 (126418)
07-22-2004 12:10 AM
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07-22-2004 12:04 AM


Thank you for your reply.
The Permian shale/sand in the Delaware alternates layers of organic-rich shale - from silt and microscopic sea life - with sand that was worked by wind, not water. Desert sand. 2500 meters thick in the center of the basin, with millimeter-scale laminations throughout.
How do you get millimeter thick laminations throughout anything that has been worked over with erosive forces like wind and water? And how do you get silt and lifeforms in one layer and completely different sand in the next, and then back to the same as before in such an alternating pattern by erosive forces?
edited to add:
And it's localized to the Permian-era basin just south of the reef that makes up El Capitan.
Which El Capitan are you referring to?
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Message 29 of 87 (126419)
07-22-2004 12:11 AM
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07-21-2004 11:59 PM


How many meters of sediment is the deepest Permian rock found?
Are you asking "how deep to the deepest Permian" or "how thick is the thickest Permian?" The Permian off Louisiana is surely at least 10 km from surface, if they've even drilled to it at all down there - I don't see Oil & Gas Journal any more to know what age those deep wells down there are in.

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Message 30 of 87 (126420)
07-22-2004 12:13 AM
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07-22-2004 12:09 AM


I'm still having some troubles explaining myself. Not unsual, I'm old and slow.
You're still dealing with the hows. Biblical Flood. Why did it happen?
Is this a philosophical/religious question? I thought we were supposed to debate the science aspect in this forum.

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