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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
And Crashfrog didn't know this ? no, apparently not. that was i replied, to which he said "interesting, thank you."
This is why I referred to his initial reply as "absurd nonsense" well, to be honest, hurling more absurd nonsense (and enraged attacks) back at him isn't going to help explain your position, nor is it an "attempt at agreement." great scott!
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3069 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
The list above does raise the question of why reptiles aren't quadrupeds. Do amphibians get a mention? Are kangaroos quadrapeds in this system? Where do snakes fit in? Macro-kinds: Mankind Birds Quadrupeds Reptiles (includes snakes) Fish source: the Bible. I am not saying the list is complete. I am saying it is impossible to breach the genetic barrier of each kind and the species properly catalogued under each kind. We have genuine macroevolution (not Darwinian) within each kind. There are also genetic barriers within each kind that cannot be breached. Evolution; God's Greatest Creation We are attempting to make sense out of an extremely complex "organicism"/nature, almost irreparably confused by Darwinian style macroevolution caused by the Biblical blinding penalty for denying God Creator status. We now know complexity is the mark of intelligence and the more complex = more Mind was involved. Nature is extremely complex = why we cannot figure it out = work of a Mind and not a blind process controlled by Darwinian minds behind the curtain. Ray
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Macro-kinds: Mankind Birds Quadrupeds Reptiles (includes snakes) Fish source: the Bible. book, chapter, and verse where these are specifically laid out? (edit: i would also like to remind you that the bible is not considered a valid source for the science fora anymore than dawkins is a valid source in the religious fora) This message has been edited by hillbilly, 01-28-2006 06:20 PM great scott!
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3069 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
book, chapter, and verse where these are specifically laid out? One such place is Romans 1:23 But I will not talk about it here until my paper is released in March or April.
i would also like to remind you that the bible is not considered a valid source for the science Predictable Darwinian opinion. Ray
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
What you call "large populations" the Bible calls "kinds". That's simply nonsense, though. If you think that answers my question, try again. Maybe I need to make it clearer? We're not talking about two different species, here. We're talking about two different groups of the exact same organism. We only observe hmeostasis in the sufficiently large population. Int he small group, we don't observe it at all. Why is that? For like the fourth time, can you answer my question or not?
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
One such place is Romans 1:23 quote: paul seems to have forgotten fish. funny though, i would have thought you would have used genesis's list:
but then again, i'm just an enraged darwinist, what do i know about the bible?
But I will not talk about it here until my paper is released in March or April. uh huh.
Predictable Darwinian opinion. enraged fundamentalist rant. This message has been edited by hillbilly, 01-28-2006 06:43 PM great scott!
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3069 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Maybe I need to make it clearer? We're not talking about two different species, here. We're talking about two different groups of the exact same organism. Negative. I thought we were talking about large populations of related species/kinds.
We only observe homeostasis in the sufficiently large population. In the small group, we don't observe it at all. Okay, how is the barrier you accept breached, which allowed common ancestry to proceed ? Do you have evidence for your answer other than assumptions and rhetoric like evolution/NS-did-it ? Ray
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Ray, have you ever read the Bible?
Romans 1 has absolutely nothing to do with kinds and Romans 1:23 specifically is completely unrelated. But Romans 1 is realatively short, so let's look at the whole chapter instead of trying to cherry pick parts of a sentence.
Romans 1 1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God, 2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,) 3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name: 6Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ: 7To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. 8First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world. 9For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers; 10Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you. 11For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established; 12That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me. 13Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles. 14I am debtor both to the Greeks, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise. 15So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also. 16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. 18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: 21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: 27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. 28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
In fact, Romans 1 is one of the places that Paul speaks out against the willfull ignorance shown by the Biblical Creationists when he says
13Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles. So at the peril of your immortal soul Ray, put aside your willfull ignorance and embrace the wisdom and wonder of Evolution. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I thought we were talking about large populations of related species/kinds. We're talking about populations, period. A large population exhibits genetic homeostasis. Kidnap a small subset of those individuals, seperate them from the large population, and homeostasis disappears in those individuals. Why is that? That's what I'm asking. I know why it happens, according to evolution. It's your explanation that I've been asking for. This message has been edited by crashfrog, 01-28-2006 06:52 PM
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3069 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
Jar:
I will not comment on Romans 1:17-25. I am writing a paper about it to be published on a large Creationist website. I do not want to steal my own thunder.
Jar writes: 13Now I would not have you ignorant, brethren, that oftentimes I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also, even as among other Gentiles. Your point about this verse makes no sense. I think you made a mistake ? But since you interpret the Bible via Darwinian evolutionary needs anything you say will reflect this subjectivity. Ray This message has been edited by Herepton, 01-28-2006 04:00 PM
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jar Member (Idle past 415 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well, publish it when it's ready Ray, and I'll be glad to comment on it, particularly since Romans 1 is one place where Paul clearly tells us we will get to know GOD by studying evolution.
I won't go over the exact evidence, don't want to steal my own thunder. But since you interpret the Bible via Creationist willfull ignorance anything you say will reflect this subjectivity. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3069 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
I won't go over the exact evidence, don't want to steal my own thunder. But since you interpret the Bible via Creationist willfull ignorance anything you say will reflect this subjectivity. Imitation is flattery. Ray
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Cold Foreign Object  Suspended Member (Idle past 3069 days) Posts: 3417 Joined: |
We're talking about populations, period. A large population exhibits genetic homeostasis. Again, what evidence do you have for the breach of the barrier that you accept which sustains the validity of common ancestry ? I am exasperated - are you happy ? Ray
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Macro-kinds:
I see! Quadrupeds means those four-footed insects in the Pentateuch!
Mankind Birds Quadrupeds Reptiles (includes snakes) Fish source: the Bible.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1488 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Again, what evidence do you have for the breach of the barrier that you accept which sustains the validity of common ancestry ? That genetic homeostasis isn't found in sufficiently small populations.
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