Don't get it (Re: Ape to Man - where did the hair go?)

Oh piss off, you pathetic little man. Discuss something or shove off.

It's hard to see my point because your brain isn't quite up to this task Cashfrog.

pbaylis, welcome to EvCI suggest you read the Forum Guidelines before you get too far off track. Please pay particular attention to rule #3, as it discusses respect for others.While I understand that this argument can get very heated, there is no cause for name calling. Argue the position not the person.

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AdminAsgara
Queen of the Universe

I apologise. I'm trying to have a discussion, honest I am. I just wish the lurkers would lurk off if they have nothing to add but some snide sideways comment. How do you quote someone else's comment in order to reply to it.

To see how someone does anything that you want to do. Just edit their post.
You won't be able to change it but you will see how it was done.When you are posting look to the left. "UBB Code is ON" is link to how do do everything.To quote:[ qs ] something [ /qs ]
will produce if you remove the spaces
You should use the preview button to be sure you have it right.[This message has been edited by NosyNed, 04-27-2004]

Around here, very few lurkers post. That is why they are called lurkers. The members that you seem to have had a problem with their posting are long term valued members.When you reply to a post, to the left of the reply text box are three links*HTML is ON
*UBB Code is ON
Smilies LegendYou can learn most of the formating used around here by reading over these links.You can also hit the edit button on the bottom of a post where someone has done something you would like to learn how to do. You can only actually edit your own posts, but you are able to see how someone else formats their post.

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here is one way to quote

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You can use bold or italics or even underline.You can _subscript or else ^superscript.Click on the edit button at the bottom of this post.

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AdminAsgara
Queen of the Universe

I apologise to Lam and Cashfrog for insulting them and for any other ways I have not been "popular".Quote
They wear their prey down instead of ambushing them or running them down.
UnquoteHow did they wear down their prey if they did not run them down? Humans couldn't chase or wear down much more than a chicken in their back yard. It's tough to compare humans to ANY animal, let alone a wolf. Every animal has some appearance of being well-adapted to its environment. Humans show very little. If humans went bald as a heat regulating mechanism, their skin should show a more adapted quality. Such a drastic adaptation as loss of hair should be accompanied by some compensating adaptation to the now-exposed skin. When you see Masai Mara people on Discover Channel trekking across the open lion-infested Savannah accompanying their herds of cattle, does it look to you like they are well-adapted? They look like the proverbial fish out of water. They cannot run, cannot climb, cannot handle the heat or cold without clothing. If they cool off in the water, they get their tootsies wrinkled, they need water very often to prevent dehydration. If this was an evolution, it was a strange one. We just don't fit in.

Maybe I can't and maybe you can't but I've watched a human run a 100 kms in a day. You need to do your research before making statments from very limited experience.

I know this is a little off topic, but I wanted to rebut a previous comment and stop people to be swayed by off-the-cuff and possible selective taking of quotes, out of context or otherwise, from search engines.Einstein & Hawking:Einstein, after standing his ground for a long time, finally grudgingly conceded "the necessity for a beginning" and "the presence of a superior reasoning power".Hawking said "These laws of physics may have been originally decreed by God, but it appears that he has since left the universe to evolve according to them and does not intervene in it."As I understand it, Enstein later tempered his statement a little by saying that he was not wishing to add anything anthropomorphic to the "creator", merely that there must have been an external force of some kind. So, it could be accurate to say that Einstein was not a pure "Creationist" in the sense of there having been a CREATING ENTITY, i.e. a Deity, although both great men never discounted that a God could have been the initiator, though this God appears to be absent at present, perhaps leaving everything to "evolve".

That is precisely the type of comment that gets these discussions going nowhere. It comes from not knowing what else to say and it is flawed.1) Only elite runners even TRY to run 100K per day. It is not statistically worth considering from an evolutionary or adaptational standpoint.
2) 100K per day is most likely broken down into a series of smaller distances throughout the day.
3) You said it "Maybe you can't or I can't". Now, this is representative of the majority and worth considering.

They are superbly adapted. That is why they have been able to continue to exist as long as they have and not simply become the feast for the beast.One of the Evolutions of Modern Humans is that they are the supreme generalists. They, more than any other creature, both adapt to their environment and change that environment to suit themselves. And it was also one of the more successfull ones since if you look over this earth, there are very few nitch environments where Humans have not fit in.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

It is due to higher intelligence that they have been able to survive, i.e. forming dense groups, although it is not normal for human beings to "herd" like cows or "school" like fish. They carry and use sticks, which deter prey. Some use guns. Lions and other predators soon learn to be, at best, confused enough to walk away and not take the risk of attack.Human beings, through superior intelligence, have been able to get on ships they built and travel to distant lands and exist there, but existing is not ADAPTING.[This message has been edited by pbaylis, 04-27-2004]

There's a story, though I won't vouch for its complete accuracy, that a reporter was incredulous of Louis Leakey's claim that wearing down game was how early hominids hunted. They were at Leakey's camp, and Leakey was over 60 years old at the time.Leakey took a cobble, smashed in on another to make a handax, and took off at a trot after an antelope. The antelope sprinted away, then rested, sprinted, rested..... while Leakey trotted after it. When it couldn't sprint any more - less than fifteen minutes - Leakey cracked its skull with his handax and carried it back to camp. And then skinned it with stone tools.I, personally, might be able to hit one with the car......

pbaylisConcerning the ability of humans to compete in the world of nature please ask yourself how far and how fast would you run if your one and only option was to be eaten? You seem to scale your everyday level of fitness to that of someone who depends only on himself to provide for food and shelter and all the necessities of life with only the natural world to provide the means by which this is accomplished. I have myself lived off the land and you can bet that your fitness level follows a steep curve. Try following a trap line or construct your own shelter or skin a deer and see for yourself.As for this statement. This is a non-issue since there are even fewer animals that run 100 Km per day.

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"We cannot define anything precisely! If we attempt to, we get into that paralysis of thought that comes to philosophers, who sit opposite each other, one saying to the other, 'You don't know what you are talking about!' The second one says 'What do you mean by know? What do you mean by talking? What do you mean by you?', and so on."

Existing is not adapting, intellegence, the stick, the hair are all the product of adapting, of evolving.Early man, even proto man, was certainly capable of running down game. They ate, survived, produced offspring. So they did those things. If they had not been able to do so, they would have died out.Over time, humans evolved. They changed. Their hair changed. Why, nobody knows.But that is one of the strongest arguments FOR evolution. Not all changes are improvements. Some may be, many others turn out to be handicaps but the vast majority of changes are neutral.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion