Smoking-Gun Evidence of Man-Monkey Kindred: Episode II... Tails

Hi, Moses' Bulldog! Got any Dr Macht stories?

JJM,Please, we do not debate other websites/forums. Please keep the debate centered here, using links as corraborating evidence.

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You are asking us to do a lot of work for you to decrypt your brief and inadequately referenced argument. Instead of an alluded to thread some unspecified time just tell us the thread. If you need help linking to it ask an Admin to show you how that is done.Thinking the argument breaks down in the biology is vague and unspecific. Tails being a property of organisms it's not surprising that the argument is biological rather than an argument about quantum mechanics or astrophysics.To recapitulate: If your questions and objections aren't important enough for you to take the time to write them out, they certainly aren't important enough for me to try to research your cryptic leads. I'll pass.lfen

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Throughout history, people have been born with six fingers and toes, from the biblical Philistine, Goliath, to major league baseball player Antonio Alfonseca. Two out of 1000 babies born today have six fingers and toes, but often the extra appendages, which are often boneless, are severed or surgically removed. The medical term for having six fingers or toes is called hexadactyly.
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Do monkeys/apes have 6 toes? LOL Malformation.This message has been edited by JJMorgan, 01-15-2006 10:10 PM

Ken JJM,You have been asked to debate in your own words. If you are going to continue posting cut and pastes and bare links you will face a short suspension.Take any questions concerning this post to the appropriate thread listed in my signature box.

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I think you'll find that your assumption off 66 "true tails" is wide of the mark. It's 66% that aren't even close enough to deserve the term pseudo-tail, they're just a blob of flesh with no internal structure. If talkorigis was trying to bump the numbers they would have said "Oh, look, 66% true tails!" They wouldn't have concentrated on a mere 23% pseudo-tails if they had 66% true tails, would they? Your own source states Do they think that the remainder are true tails?I'm not ignoring the malformation/correlation evidence, I'm still waiting for you to provide it! However, it wouldn't present a problem.There are a group of genes called Hox genes and they are responsible for global regulation of development. If one of these goes wrong, you get numerous different effects. Some Hox genes are responsible for the development of the "head" end, some for the "rear" end, some for the middle and so on. I'll try to dig out some information for you on Hox genes, but it won't be until tomorrow.

I was born with 10 1/2 fingers. I never get banana cravings though or the urge to swing from trees. LOL

So far nobody has addressed the pathological malformation argument.

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yes, well. that's because monkeys only have ten fingers. maybe you have freak alien dna.

When you finally get round to posting your pathological malformation argument, I'm sure someone will deal with it.Please, give us you argument and your position, otherwise there is nothing to discuss.

check posts 96 and 105.

TO: AdminMooseI am using the general reply button sometimes because I am getting swarmed with respondents.

TO: ALLI will first cite this:

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The accelerating pace of the discovery of genes has far surpassed our capabilities to understand their biological function--in other words, the phenotypes they engender.

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First, there is no "tail gene" it is far more complex than that.Here is what a evolutionist and cell biologist said and I will give an excerpt:

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The article referenced above makes it quite clear that the overall involvement of wnt-3a in tail formation is far more complex than indicated in the talkorigins.org argument. It also describes cdx-1 as under the control of wnt-3a....

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The question of whether the lack of tails in humans and apes is due to a deficiency in wnt3a expression (possibly localized) cannot be answered definitively until some real data are available. I would regard the talkorigins.org statement as speculative.
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Lastly, here is what I wrote at another forum:

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I wish some evolutionist would attempt to tackle some of the questions Gish posed (see Gish link in first post). For example, like why do these "tails" seem to happen far more in males than females (about 3 to 1) when the sex of the child is reported (Gish asked if males are closer to monkey like ancestors than females.

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This message has been edited by JJMorgan, 01-15-2006 10:36 PM {Shortened display form of URL in first quote box, to restore page width to normal. - Adminnemooseus}This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 01-15-2006 10:54 PM

Noted, arach, but the information is scant and gives no great detail about what sort of pathological malformations are being talked about. The source of the statistics isn't given either, the numbers are just presented in a quote from someone else.Anyway, once I have more details about these malformations, chances are that something to do with Hox genes will help explain it - if not some other regulatory genes. I can't address this in a vaccuum.