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Author Topic:   Racial Evolution 101
redwolf
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Message 61 of 109 (103446)
04-28-2004 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by RAZD
04-28-2004 11:55 AM


Re: Who create early human beings? (caution slow load picture)
>>I don't know what you mean by "Basically, the further back you go, the worse it gets" unless you are saying that the further you go back in time the less modern the specimens look (doh!) or that your biases and prejudices are showing.
The neanderthal is basically a protohuman of some sort; homo erectus is basically an ape. Everything else prior to home erectus are less developed apes.

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Loudmouth
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Message 62 of 109 (103454)
04-28-2004 5:07 PM
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04-28-2004 4:47 PM


Re: Who create early human beings? (caution slow load picture)
quote:
The neanderthal is basically a protohuman of some sort; homo erectus is basically an ape. Everything else prior to home erectus are less developed apes.
Neanders and humans lived at the same time yet did not share mitochondrial DNA. If they were as humans there should be no difference in mitochondrial DNA, other than the differences seen within human populations today. They were separate species and did not interbreed, at least according to the DNA recovered so far. How can they be us, and yet not be us? If we are their direct descendants then the differences in mitDNA shouldn't be as numerous as what we find, especially given the fact that humans and neanders were alive at the same time.
Also, how do you decide what is an ape and what is a human? What measurements or criteria do you use?

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RAZD
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Message 63 of 109 (103456)
04-28-2004 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by redwolf
04-28-2004 4:44 PM


Re: Who create early human beings?
this post by redwolf (#60) is verbatim from
http://www.bearfabrique.org/evorants/neander_Matternes.html
either redwolf is ted holden or he is plagarizing ted's 'work'
or he just doesn't know to properly credit stuff to those who do it.
AND neanders may have been around until 30,000 years ago
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/neand.htm
Neanderthals are known from Europe and western Asia from about 200,000 years to about 30,000 years ago, when they disappeared from the fossil record and were replaced in Europe by anatomically modern forms.
How that all affects human evolution still escapes me, as this is consistent with the evolutionary hominid tree.
It's like saying "WOW there were two people in the room, how did they get there?"
enjoy.

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RAZD
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Message 64 of 109 (103458)
04-28-2004 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by redwolf
04-28-2004 4:47 PM


Re: Who create early human beings? (caution slow load picture)
The neanderthal is basically a protohuman of some sort; homo erectus is basically an ape. Everything else prior to home erectus are less developed apes.
opinion, and that's all.
The line between human and hominid and between hominid and ape is blurred by ages, no question. But I look at that picture of Homo erectus and see a human:
And you still haven't answered about the family tree shown on two different sites above
(http://EvC Forum: Racial Evolution 101)

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SRO2 
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Message 65 of 109 (103518)
04-28-2004 7:27 PM
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04-28-2004 5:20 PM


Re: Who create early human beings? (caution slow load picture)
I GOT IT FIRST! The human is the one with the tits!

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AdminAsgara
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Message 66 of 109 (103556)
04-28-2004 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by redwolf
04-28-2004 4:44 PM


Citing Sources
Red, you have been called on possibly posting items not your own. If you ARE Ted Holden as Raz and Sylas believe, you might want to admit it here. If you do not want to admit to a real persona on a web forum you should cite your source as you would if you were copying someone else's work.
If you are NOT Holden you must cite your source http://www.bearfabrique.org/evorants/neander_Matternes.html
Plagarizing is not only dishonest and cheating, but also against Forum Guidelines. It can be grounds for suspension.

AdminAsgara
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SRO2 
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Message 67 of 109 (103561)
04-28-2004 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by AdminAsgara
04-28-2004 10:46 PM


Re: Citing Sources
There should be an exclusion. You don't have to cite the source if it is from a government funded one. For example, my aircraft carrier dimensions I posted came from a U.S. Navy public domain where there is NOT a source given. As tax payers, that is OUR information that we paid for and it belongs to us as a whole (sort of like, if you as a tax payer, were to ask me to provide information about the space shuttle, I would be obliged to provide it unless I felt I couldn't because it was in the interest of national security or company proprietary information)...government information that is of public domain doesn't require a source to be provided other than it's from the government.

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AdminAsgara
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Message 68 of 109 (103566)
04-28-2004 11:15 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by SRO2
04-28-2004 11:01 PM


Re: Citing Sources
Thanks for the clarification Rocket.
It is still good debating manners to list where your info comes from, even if it IS public domain info.

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berberry
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Message 69 of 109 (103571)
04-28-2004 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by SRO2
04-28-2004 11:01 PM


Re: Citing Sources
This is a weak point, Rocket. It is dishonest to present something as your own writing when it isn't, regardless of whether you paid for the writing. There are exceptions, of course, but they don't extend to debates of the sort we have here.

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SRO2 
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Message 70 of 109 (103581)
04-28-2004 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by berberry
04-28-2004 11:25 PM


Re: Citing Sources
How is it a weak point? If it's a government document it usually cites a department...not a sole source...what can anybody do about that? I already said it should be referenced back to a government source..and thats not even necessary...Lets use an example; "A space Shuttle Main Engine High Pressure Fuel Turbopump weighs approximately 500 lbs."
...now that information is available through the library of congress....but you have to fill out requests to get engineering drawings of the pump that you don't have a chance in hell of finding the actual weight in a bug note out of 30 engineering pages of drawings and there are dozens of engineering releases pending revisions by dozens of engineers...now how the FUCK are you ever going to find out
the actual source of one of those drawings that changed the weight?

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RAZD
Member (Idle past 1405 days)
Posts: 20714
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Message 71 of 109 (103602)
04-29-2004 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by SRO2
04-28-2004 11:47 PM


Re: Citing Sources
What they want is the website the information comes from? what did you use to find the information ...

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berberry
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Message 72 of 109 (103604)
04-29-2004 12:31 AM
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04-28-2004 11:47 PM


Re: Citing Sources
You trace it back as far as you conveniently can and cite that. You don't simply copy the material without mentioning that you didn't write it.

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SRO2 
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Message 73 of 109 (103607)
04-29-2004 12:42 AM
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04-29-2004 12:31 AM


Re: Citing Sources
"I think I've expressed my own views about this adequately in other threads. My only request here would be that anyone considering bringing up the story of Lot and the city of Sodom please review a previous thread starting with this message. You will note that the Sodom story is not adequate to make any case that homosexuality is immoral. You will also note that the discussion left many hurt feelings and apparently resulted in the exit of one or two creo members."
You have ten minutes.

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berberry
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Message 74 of 109 (103611)
04-29-2004 12:44 AM
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04-29-2004 12:42 AM


Re: Citing Sources
And your point is?

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SRO2 
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Message 75 of 109 (103615)
04-29-2004 12:50 AM
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04-29-2004 12:44 AM


Re: Citing Sources
Thank you. You are dismissed.

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