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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 122 of 134 (565052)
06-14-2010 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by dennis780
05-13-2010 10:00 PM


Re: Melanin variations
If useful information cannot be gained how do organisms better evolve to their environments?
I am very ignorant when it comes to life science, but there is a lot to learn here.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 124 of 134 (565127)
06-14-2010 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 123 by New Cat's Eye
06-14-2010 1:40 PM


Re: Melanin variations
Wow that just doesn't make alot of sense to me. I may not know much about biology, it would seem to me like the opposite would be true, that as creatures evolved they would gain more information rather than loose it.
Are these "kinds" all placentals, I mean what is said about marsupials? There is a Cat kind/form among both placentals and marsupials, yet they are not even close to related to each other. Did God make special animals just for Australia? Special more pirimitive animals that would be out competed by his placental creations on the rest of the planet, whose niches would be filled up by placentals.
I feel like I should say something on this topic. Its just wierd. So the common ancestor that both Humans and Gorillas have, has all the information, and we though evolved are lesser beings than our animal ancestor? When did snakes loose the ability to talk?
Isn't Homo sapiens sapiens like the 3rd or 4th wave of the Homo Species to branch out and occupy the globe? I know Homo erectus made thier way all the way to China, and Indonesia, and Homo neanderthalensis was in Europe, South West Asia, and Central Asia, when our species got there. There is not enough evidence to say if we came from erectus or not (I think we did not), but we probably out competed neaderthals to extinction, are neaderthals and erectus somehow more due to the more information they had? I need to read more about this, because at face value its sounds very not plausable.

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 127 of 134 (565187)
06-15-2010 12:14 PM


It's not that cut and dry. Some information in the genome is deleted, some genes are recessive (meaning certain traits will show up later down the line), others are gained by mutations which later become fixed in subsequent populations, etc, etc. When it comes to how things evolve, there isn't any one reason.
Well of course not, but I am a spatial based scientist, I do maps, charts, and algorithms that measure and calculate distance (spatial) and time (temporal), and their relationships. I find this topic very interesting, but I know almost nothing about biology. But I would rather get the layman’s terms and general idea about how it works. I know I was being general, but who wants to post and read all technical information all the time?
Some still remain in places like North America (possums are marsupials) and also placental mammals like raccoons (closely related to marsupials).
I think that is Opossum, Possums live in Australia. I think the Virginia Opossum is the only one in North America. Are you sure Raccoons are related to marsupials?
Is that a joke? Are you being facetious?
Sorry I couldn’t resist.
Actually humans and neanderthals assimilated. They weren't so much out-competed as they were bred out of existence. There's an excellent chance that you have neanderthals in your family tree, as do I.
That is only partially true. Only humans outside of Sub-Saharan Africa and Neanderthals bred. Non-African Modern humans have between 1% - 4% Neanderthal DNA. So back to the Adam and Eve were black and had more information thing. That would mean since Adam and Eve were Black and of African ancestery that they did not have Neanderthal DNA, and therefore would have LESS information than the Humans who bred with the Neanderthals in Southwest and Central Asia, and in Europe. Its fine to say that Adam and Eve were Black, but you really can’t say they have more information, because they were not an Older Kind (or whatever) of Human like Neanderthals were, also since they did not breed with Neanderthals, their offspring did not gain the genetic material that the other variations of Humans did who left the African Continent and bred with Homo neanderthalensis did.
They can be black or have more genetic information, but they cannot have both.
Wow that theory was pretty easy.
Oh no. God created man seperate from the other apes. Humans have to be their own kind (see above).
But you seem to be getting the jist of it. And If you look at the message you replied to, Message 116, they guy was arguing that adam and eve had to have been black because white people have less information than black people (they lost the blackness to become white).
So was there an Adam and Eve for every set of Homo that God created? 12 according to the site you linked. All they really did is take the genus Homo and make it its own kind. Which is fine but to say its different than other primates who we share 90+% of the genetic code with is a bit silly don’t you think, it seems quite obvious.
That's because you're "assuming" evolution and seeing things with tainted glasses. If you just let the Holy Spirit guide you and read the Bible, (while ignoring everything that shows how terribly wrong it is), you can then see that it all makes perfect sense and there isn't one error in the glory of God's word
I am sorry but that is a false statement. Evolution was never assumed, it was what people came up with when faced with the evidence that they had at hand. Sure they made some errors, but in the beginning they had less evidence than we do today, and less methods of determining value to apply to the evidence. Look I am a Christian myself, but a Roman Catholic one so I get to ignore all that Sola scriptura bullshit, and use my own logic a bit. I am sure God’s word has no errors, but the bible wasn’t written by God, nor my any less that hundreds of people of the course of hundreds of years. I mean this would be a bit easier on us faithful if Jesus maybe wrote one of the books, I know he could read the Torah, so he must have been somewhat literate. Heck I would be happy if Jesus just proofread the new testament and took all the errors and contradictions out of it. Oh well that is another topic.
I wonder what these sciency creationists would have said before the human genome was mapped and we know what we know now. I wonder what they would have said about the Chinese idea that Chinese people were a different race because they evolved from Peking Man (Homo erectus) and did not come out of Africa as Homo sapiens. That was a very popular notion in China for a long long time, that they, the Chinese, where a different species of Man, from a different ancestor. I only bring this up because there are a lot of people who are not from our way of thinking, and this Chinese example was the best one I could think of. Isn’t rather pretentious to say our God created us, when there is half a planet of people of other faiths out there? Who created them?
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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 129 of 134 (565211)
06-15-2010 2:49 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by New Cat's Eye
06-15-2010 1:24 PM


I don't know if they even get into how the original kinds came about.
Yeah its very weird and yet interesting at the same time.
Well then, according to them, you are not a true christian...
Like I care what Philistines think about me
What makes you so sure?
God is perfect.
Sounds neat.... got a link?
here is a link
Of course they are not correct IMHO, as it seems there is better evidence to support the idea that they, like us, evolved from Homo sapiens who came from Africa. I guess the Chinese really just want to be their own people really bad.
By the way, I see you did a General Reply.
If you use the other reply buttons (there's one at the bottom right of each message):
Yeah I screwed all that up, thanks for the clarification and the explanation. It has been a year since I posted here (I lost my password), and I forgot all the rules around here. I honestly thought Gen Reply meant GENERATE Reply. Are you a Moderator?

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Artemis Entreri 
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Message 131 of 134 (566000)
06-22-2010 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 130 by New Cat's Eye
06-15-2010 3:14 PM


I would kind of like to discuss the Chinese stuff, but maybe I should propose a new topic, though I have not done so before, and the managment seems a bit ornrey about that.

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