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CTD Member (Idle past 5895 days) Posts: 253 Joined: |
quote: "Race" is a term that cannot be defined. There are different peoples in the world and they descended from one man and one woman.
quote: I expect Shem, Ham, and Japheth had wives. Regarding your links now, have any of these people taken into account the reduction and concentration of the population which occurred at the flood? If they assume another model from the get-go, it isn't surprising that their results reflect these assumptions. One also needs to bear in mind that the people stayed fairly close together until their languages were confounded at the tower of Babel. Even after the dispersal (we know not the extent, but assume God accomplished His goal) some of them clustered back and built at least the four cities of Nimrod's empire. If you think ancient migration patterns are clear, I suggest you look a little more closely at the linguistic links. I consider it a mistake to think of the human race having been composed of purely static units. Seafaring is as old as history, and there have been plenty of nomads and traders also. Hermit kingdoms like Korea are the exception. And in the old days, war often resulted in enslavement. There was plenty of opportunity for mixing, although the majority of the people may well have stayed put during peacetime. Over time, familial traits have emerged to give the different peoples their own looks. While there'd be some exceptions, I do not doubt that the Europeans you mention would have much trouble spotting foreigners. I know in Japan they can readily spot a Chinaman or a Korean. I suppose the Gauls, Romans, Italians, and Greeks had this capacity also. And head size? Heads come in plenty of different sizes even among fairly close kinsmen. Maybe I should google George Lopez. If he's got brothers and sisters, I'll bet they demonstrate this point. I know Tom Edison's head was also exceptionally large, so that'd be a backup. But George cracks me up, & the whole Edison - Tesla thing... Well, I know which kind of thoughts I prefer floating around in my own head. But hey, at least you're hep to migration. The most easily dispelled evolutionary myth is that Africa made its inhabitants evolve dark skin while Europe made its inhabitants evolve light skin. Who's going to wait around 50,000 years in an uncomfortable environment waiting for their skin to change? Even plant populations migrate faster than that!
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CTD Member (Idle past 5895 days) Posts: 253 Joined: |
quote: A great book for anyone interested in the table of nations is "After the Flood". It's not worldwide in scope, but it's very good. The author researched to find out the histories of different peoples according to their own writings, rather than traditional sources. In former times Celts traced their ancestry to Magog. Norse & some Germanic peoples traced their ancestry to Gog. There's more, but that should give you the picture.
quote: You have a unique take on divine inspiration. You contend that it's mandatory for God to prevent the ancient Hebrews from giving the Mediterranean Sea a name of which you disapprove. You're just mangling everything with the next argument. The sun and moon are indeed great lights. They provide many times more light to us than all the stars put together. But I guess I'm not being strict enough to suit you. I gather I'm supposed to take a narrow definition of "greatness" that can only apply to actual physical size, and then compare it to the "official" present-day estimates of the stars. Not that you're interested, but some plasma cosmology models being developed posit Earth initially orbiting Saturn which would have been active as a small sun/star. When reading a text, the most productive course is to try to figure out what the author means to say. I must say I find it unusual for one who wants to believe something to endeavour to construct misinterpretations. You wouldn't by chance be a federal judge, would you? In his later years, Mark Twain compiled a "great" list of lies about the bible and worked it into a book. Might look it up if you're into that sort of thing. Plagiarizing him could make one quite popular at EvC in very little time. And don't worry - he didn't originate much, if any of the list himself.
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CTD Member (Idle past 5895 days) Posts: 253 Joined: |
quote: Like maybehttp://www.sciencedaily.com/...ases/2007/06/070620154911.htm quote: Which area must these three women have come from? Why is their origin restricted? And beyond "the present is the key to the past", what restricts their potential to produce genetically diverse offspring?
quote: Wrong. And it's no secret that this is wrong. Anyone using such "justification" was probably about as disingenuous as any evolutionist here.
quote: It seems like an O.T. question, but when childish fairy tales are promoted as scientifically established fact to the vast majority of the population, IMO it's kind of hard to ignore.
quote: You may take it that I'll consider it after you provide evidence for Ham's wife, Shem's wife, and Japheth's wife coming from the same area and lacking diversity.
quote: No. I see how one could misconstrue what I said to create the impression of a contradiction if one were so inclined. And I notice that you have company. Any scenario intended to provide "racial purity" is going to require perfect isolation. This is practically impossible, and has not happened for the reasons I stated. The similarities that are clearly visible are due to the fact that most people stay put and tend to marry someone nearby. You can't even create a plausible scenario where this isn't the case over time. Mixing must occur, but it has to be sporadic. The majority of marriages have always been between spouses that were locally available. That's enough. Next one to pretend not to understand can just go on pretending.
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CTD Member (Idle past 5895 days) Posts: 253 Joined: |
The post I respond to contains more than one misrepresentation.
quote: I never denied the curse, nor do I desire to do so.
quote: But previously, in the post I responded to you said
quote: quote: Why indeed! You claim the wives of Noah's sons couldn't be diverse, but we have seen zero evidence to support this claim. You pretend it's a big deal if I don't submit evidence to support every last thing I say, but you exempt yourself from any such requirement. I decline to play your game. I've seen it before.
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