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Brian
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Message 58 of 312 (425249)
10-01-2007 2:05 PM


EvC becomes more of a joke
Jar banned for a week for nothing and there's talk of asking Faith back!
You couldn't make this shit up.
I don't see what Jar has done to be banned, we all know that creationists get far more leaway than sane people do, but Jar was just stating his opinion, which also happens to be a fact.
Admins should be embarrassed at this decision, you let Faith and other morons away with offence after offence and then ban Jar for stating a fact.
Whoever banned jar for this should feel ashamed at their blatant discrimination.

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Brian
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Message 68 of 312 (425304)
10-01-2007 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by AdminNem
10-01-2007 5:12 PM


Re: EvC becomes more of a joke
Banned or suspended is ultimately the same thing, Jar is banned from posting until his suspension is up.
I was referring to Faith in the past tense as I know she is indefinately suspended, but we all know this is just worthless bluster and she would be allowed to return if she so wished.
We also all know that Faith and other creationist fundies, who really know very little about anything, are allowed to get away with far more than the free thinkers here.
If Faith had posted a similar post to Jar's then nothing would have been said, just as nothng has been done about a creationist admin waiting his chance to abuse his position and pounce on Jar at any opportunity.
But carry on, the whole e-community can see the discrimination here.

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Brian
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Message 78 of 312 (425512)
10-02-2007 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Hyroglyphx
10-01-2007 10:43 PM


Re: EvC becomes more of a joke
Is going to jail for a week versus the rest of your natural life the same thing too by your rationale?
Are you saying it is not possible to be banned from doing something for a week, a month, a year?
Jar isn't banned.
He is banned from posting.
And I suspect that in your tirade, this is what you were really trying to address.
Tirade lol
Actually, no. There was an impromptu vote in an Admin forum, that unfortunately you aren't privy to, otherwise I would show you. A few admins took a consensus to let her back. The final verdict, as of now, is that she's not allowed to come back. Jar, if I'm not mistaken, requested that she come back in another thread. But in the end, that "worthless bluster" still can't come back. (Charming attitude by the way. You're a gentleman and a scholar.)
We all know that a little email from Faith to Percy would allow her back. Percy has this obsession with trying to make EvC a balanced debating site, this is why he bullied Faith in to being a mod. This is why he has Buzz as an admin and turns a blind eye to Buzz’s abuse of his admin status. Percy want to create an illusion that evc is a fair and balanced site, but he knows himself that the creationist members here are invariably nutballs and really have no clue how to support an argument, it’s as if they have a bit of their brain missing. But, in Percy’s rabid attempt to balance the sides, he now discriminates against those members who can support their arguments, who know what skills are required to investigate a subject to a level that is acceptable of an adult. The creos get away with a lot because they have to, they are incapable of competing on a level playing field because they do not possess the necessary core skills to do so.
Speaking of coming back, wasn't it you that opted to leave EvC because it just didn't stimulate you anymore?
That was one reason. However the other reason was the bias shown towards the fundies, But I did say I would return.
Look, we're not going to go in to a debate about who gets away with more crap.
So why bring it up Einstein?
As far as I'm concerned, most admins don't have some vendetta against an opposing ideology. (However, notice that I said most, not all. And no I'm not going to name names).
You don’t have to. Stevie Wonder can see the bias here.
People are suspended according to their attitudes, which so far, seems to have just as many theists suspended as non-theists.
Only because the theists are allowed far more leeway than the atheists. If there was even handed moderation there would probably be about 2 theists here.
There have been ample opportunities to technically suspend Jar. To my knowledge, he's been suspended a grand total of one time,
You do know that Jar is a theist don’t you, and that you are supporting my stance? You aren't very good at this are you?
which, btw, came from Percy”
Of course it did, he has to keep his lapdog Buzz happy doesn’t he? Percy has this incessant desire to mollify the creos here, he has to or there would be no EvC.
hardly the evil creationist slime monster abusing authority as you presuppose.
What on Earth are you on about here?
Since you come here intermittently,
How do you know how often I come here, I could have been coming here every day as far as you are aware?
I'll simply pass that off as ignorance on your part.
It seems that your child like approach to theology and history has seeped into your every day life as well.
Maybe you should take time to think about what you are writing before you post.

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Brian
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Message 93 of 312 (425856)
10-04-2007 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Stile
10-03-2007 10:23 AM


Re: Higher Debating Standard
Hi,
How can this: "And, like any board, violate the clearly spelled out rules and you get banned. Temporarily or indefinitely depending on the severity."
harmonise with this? "Evo's are held to a higher debating standard than Creo's."
Why are evos held to a higher standard, for what reason?

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Brian
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From: Scotland
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Message 96 of 312 (425881)
10-04-2007 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 94 by Shtop
10-04-2007 9:27 AM


Re: Higher Debating Standard
This is basically what jar was banned for saying.

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Brian
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Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
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Message 97 of 312 (425884)
10-04-2007 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Stile
10-04-2007 10:11 AM


Re: Higher Debating Standard
I don't understand the confusion. How do they not harmonize? There is no mention of equality. The clearly spelled out rule is biased, and there is enforcement of that biased rule.
So why do we have inequality. Creos and evos here are all adults, and the rules of the board do not state that the rules are biased. What you are stating is that ther eis one rule for creos and one for evos.
"Those who have the education and knowledge to debate are held to a higher standard than those who do not understand how to discuss with civility and tact."
But this is on no way implied in the forum rules.
Maybe Percy needs to have 2 sets of rules.
It is ironic to point out .....
Which is exactly what I was leading up to.

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Brian
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Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 101 of 312 (425895)
10-04-2007 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by NosyNed
10-04-2007 12:49 PM


Re: The lunatic fringe
But we do have theology areas here, it isn't exclusively science here is it?

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Brian
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Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 110 of 312 (425966)
10-04-2007 4:42 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Hyroglyphx
10-04-2007 4:12 PM


Re: EvC becomes more of a joke
He was suspended from posting. Just say that you misspoke, Brian, so we can all move on.
I used the word that I meant to use. Do American drunk drivers get banned from driving or suspended from driving?
Percy has said that he's all for her coming back, and yet, at the same time it was he that opted to ban her in the first place.
It was also he who bullied her into being an Admin as well. Percy does these little shows now and again though. He'll ban an 'enemy' of creos just for show.
And you view this as less than virtuous??? Damn you Percy for being fair and balanced!
Of course I do when he isn’t being fair and balanced towards its members.
Just so you know Brian, there are a lot of disputes behind the scenes here at EvC where Buz and Percy argue over a few issues.
I was an admin when you were just a twinkle in your daddy’s eye, I know what goes on behind the scenes. I know Percy really wanted more creo mods to deal with the creos so that it wasn’t always evo mods pointing out how silly creos are, and Buz has often done Percy’s ”dirty work’ for him.
Generally, because neither of them act like children
I’d disagree with that.
Whether its an illusion or a reality, Percy is honestly trying to make it fair and balanced.
How can he be doing it ”honestly’ when he discriminates against certain members, what is fair about that?
Holy cow man, shouldn't you be congratulating him?
Congratulating him on what, treating people unfairly?
Or are you all for the immediate banning of those you deem as creationist loonies?
I am for treating everyone equally. Why should creationist loonies get more leeway?
Brian, this certainly doesn't apply to all creationists on the board
Sorry, but I am afraid it does.
Neither side can claim sole ownership.
The creos can, quite easily.
Then if this is what you truly think, please address them to Percy via email so that he can immediately cater to your every beck and call, m'kay?
I couldn’t give a f*ck what Percy does with his site.
The fact that 3 creationists on average get suspended in any given week does you no justice.
If this was a fair and balanced site then there would be a lot more.
And the fact that different admins, who don't get approval from Percy in any way also suspend people, such as myself, it virtually destroys your assertion altogether.
It isn’t an assertion, it is a fact.
Secondly, you seem to be under the impression that we suspend people based on their intelligence. We do not.
God knows where you get this from.
We suspend people based on their actions.
But different people get treated differently for the same actions.
Look, we're not going to go in to a debate about who gets away with more crap.
I didn't, Hawking, you did. I'm addressing your complaints.
LOL, it was you that brought it up!
Since its you making all of the sweeping allegations, perhaps the bias that is so transparent, is all on your side of the table. Food for thought.
Sweeping facts.
Well, thanks for saying that I'm worthy of staying.
I’m afraid you aren’t one of the two.
Oh, yes, I'm aware that Jar is a theist in the broadest sense. But your complaint isn't about theists, its about creationists. Jar, Percy, Jazzns, RAZD, etc-- all theists.
So if I was talking about creationists why did you bring up theists. I was addressing YOUR point about theists.
What exactly are your contentions with Buzsaw?
You haven’t been following this thread then? You aren’t aware of Buzz abusing his admin status by, amongst other things, calling Jar a liar while in admin mode, setting Jar up with one post and knocking him out with another?
Well, if you'll look at the top of the screen, it lists all the members online right now. Your name rarely comes up.
But you have to be signed in for your name to appear there. Try logging out and then browsing the site, your name won’t appear.
Ain't that the kettle calling the pot black?
Feel free to point out any errors in my theology.
Oh, you didn't know? Percy writes out a script for us beforehand on how to respond to any given poster.
I know how admin works, if only you did.

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