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robinrohan
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Message 166 of 201 (319252)
06-08-2006 7:31 PM
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06-08-2006 7:13 PM


Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
Say the title of an essay you give as homework
In Comp I, which I am teaching at the moment, I use the Norton Reader. You can probably find the title of what essays we look at on-line.
Today we looked at "On the fear of Death" by Kubler-Ross and "The Nature of Symbolic Language" by Eric Fromm.
It's not like we are reading Augustine.
Give me a break.

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iano
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Message 167 of 201 (319256)
06-08-2006 7:44 PM
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06-08-2006 7:31 PM


Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
Langston Hughes Salvation
656 (2)
Edward Rivera First Communion
658 (13)
Plato The Allegory of the Cave
671 (3)
Henry David Thoreau Where I Lived, and What I Lived For
674 (9)
Martha Nussbaum The Idea of World Citizenship in Greek and Roman Antiquity
683 (14)
Virginia Woolf The Death of the Moth
697 (3)
Annie Dillard Sight into Insight
700 (10)
Gilbert Highet The Mystery of Zen
710 (9)
Jean-Paul Sartre Existentialism
This is what I meant about your own world view (or the world view of Norton) influencing hearts and minds. Assuming you cannot assign every essay in the list, you could pick the first essay title on the list. Or the last. Your worldviews choice I imagine.
What age is comp 1
Edited by iano, : No reason given.
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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robinrohan
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Message 168 of 201 (319261)
06-08-2006 7:56 PM
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06-08-2006 7:44 PM


Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
I don't do any of these any more, but I have done "The Allegory of the Cave" before. I've also done "Sight into Insight" (a mystical piece).
I'd probably do Thoreau because I know all about that.
But I am not doing any of those this semester.
My favorite essay in this anthology is, "Do Horses Gallop in their Sleep?"

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robinrohan
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Message 169 of 201 (319262)
06-08-2006 7:58 PM
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06-08-2006 7:56 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
Age is 18: Freshmen in college.

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iano
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Message 170 of 201 (319264)
06-08-2006 8:02 PM
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06-08-2006 7:56 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
Say you had a particular worldview which you knew to be the right one (as opposed to one which you held to but weren't sure of). Would you expose your students to the total array of worldviews or would you seek to influence them to your worldview in so far as that was open for you to do?
Edited by iano, : question answered

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Message 171 of 201 (319269)
06-08-2006 8:11 PM
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06-08-2006 8:02 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
Expose them to all of the possibilities.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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nwr
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Message 172 of 201 (319270)
06-08-2006 8:15 PM
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06-08-2006 8:02 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
iano writes:
Would you expose your students to the total array of worldviews or would you seek to influence them to your worldview in so far as that was open for you to do?
As an English teacher, robinrohan should be exposing his students to a variety of literary styles.
I take exception to your apparent implication that indoctrination into a wordview is involved in such teaching.

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robinrohan
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Message 173 of 201 (319271)
06-08-2006 8:16 PM
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06-08-2006 8:02 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
Say you had a particular worldview which you knew to be the right one (as opposed to one which you held to but weren't sure of). Would you expose your students to the total array of worldviews or would you seek to influence them to your worldview in so far as that was open for you to do?
iano, I NEVER give my fundamental views to my students. That's not my job and it would be, in my opinion, disreputable to do so.
My job is to teach them to write better.
In Lit., it is to teach them to understand the texts we read.
That's it.
Now in lit., I introduce them to three different "wortldviews," corresponding to the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries, which is the period covered by that course: Calvinism, Deism, and Transcendentalism. I go over all that.

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iano
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Message 174 of 201 (319272)
06-08-2006 8:28 PM
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06-08-2006 8:16 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
I understand the sentiment - but it doesn't answer the question asked.

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robinrohan
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Message 175 of 201 (319275)
06-08-2006 8:34 PM
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06-08-2006 8:28 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
Well . .. if I knew for sure, but I can't imagine such a scenario.

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iano
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Message 176 of 201 (319276)
06-08-2006 8:35 PM
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06-08-2006 8:15 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
A worldview that hold all worldviews to be possibilities is a worldview - is it not?

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robinrohan
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Message 177 of 201 (319278)
06-08-2006 8:40 PM
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06-08-2006 8:35 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
A worldview that hold all worldviews to be possibilities is a worldview - is it not?
That's not mine.

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iano
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Message 178 of 201 (319279)
06-08-2006 8:42 PM
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06-08-2006 8:34 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
But such a situation is possible - it is possible (even probable)that only one worldview is correct. As is that you know it to be the case. Say you knew it with the same certainty that the world is round, but your students hadn't that information. Should (or would) you teach that cubical, flat, diamond-shaped Earths are equally possible options? Or would you point them to the evidence that convinced you?
Edited by iano, : No reason given.

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iano
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Message 179 of 201 (319281)
06-08-2006 8:45 PM
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06-08-2006 8:40 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
Which worldviews do you exclude as possibilities? Say your top 3
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robinrohan
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Message 180 of 201 (319287)
06-08-2006 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by iano
06-08-2006 8:42 PM


Re: Re: The hand the rocks the cradle..
What do you want me to do? Teach nihilism to my students? I'm not going to do that.
When we study Calvinist texts, I discuss Calvinism. We talk about predestination and such.
When we study Deist texts, we talk about Deism. We do Franklin's Autobiography and such.
When we talk about transcendental texts--Emerson and Thoreau--we talk about that stuff.
And we also talk about Poe (an aesthete), but I never mention my own aestheticism.
What's wrong with that?

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