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Randy
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Message 46 of 78 (378806)
01-21-2007 9:25 PM
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01-21-2007 9:02 PM


Re: intro to geology . . .sort of
They are not dispersing out into space in Titans magnetosphere.
But they are. Read the article again. First they are ionized and trapped by a magnetic field 580 times the strength of earth's. Second they are almost certainly being lost from Saturn's "tail" but are being replenished by interaction with Saturn's moons. The source of the water is outgassing from Enceladus.
Randy

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edge
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Message 47 of 78 (378808)
01-21-2007 9:48 PM
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01-21-2007 9:02 PM


Re: intro to geology . . .sort of
The tecktonic theory is total bunk How does plate tectonics explain gravity abnormalities over the trenches. Did some of that water get sucked into the earth. What could cause the gravity abnormalities over the trenches?
Wow! Why do you suppose no geologists have ever noticed this before? How are they abnormal?

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Message 48 of 78 (378809)
01-21-2007 9:57 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Randy
01-21-2007 9:25 PM


Re: intro to geology . . .sort of
They are not dispersing out into space in Titans magnetosphere.
But they are. Read the article again. First they are ionized and trapped by a magnetic field 580 times the strength of earth's. Second they are almost certainly being lost from Saturn's "tail" but are being replenished by interaction with Saturn's moons. The source of the water is outgassing from Enceladus.
It appears a whole lot of outgassing being captured by Saturns Magnetic field it does not mean its dispersing to outer space.
The Earths genesis water canopy could well of been the result of the moons water vapor outgassing much like Enceladus to Titan & Saturn robbing of Titan and Enceladus.

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Message 49 of 78 (378814)
01-21-2007 10:13 PM
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01-21-2007 9:48 PM


Re: intro to geology . . .sort of
Why do you suppose no geologists have ever noticed this before?
You have massive plates believed subducting under the trenches. So how come one weighs less over the trenches? Massive amounts of water subducted into the earth beneath the trenches, or beneath the dense subducting tectonic plates? It seems easier to believe somethings wrong with the tectonic plate theory.
Its interesting however that Coragyps agreed that water is the believed culprit in respect to the tectonic plate theory.
It makes more sense that tremendous amounts of water reside under the trenches is more supportive with the hydroplate theory than the dense subducting tectonic plate theory.
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CACTUSJACKmankin
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Message 50 of 78 (378815)
01-21-2007 10:32 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by johnfolton
01-21-2007 10:13 PM


Re: intro to geology . . .sort of
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It makes more sense that tremendous amounts of water reside under the trenches is more supportive with the hydroplate theory than the dense subducting tecktonic plate theory.
1. Just because an alternative theory makes more sense to you doesnt mean it's correct. Much of quantum mechanics is counterintuitive but the evidence is clear so it must be accepted.
2. Why is density such a difficult thing to understand? It's a basic physical concept and explains this process quite well. The heavier plate will subduct under the lighter plate. It also explains why plates of nearly equivilent density will collide and force material upward which is what the Himalayas have been doing for the past 70 million years as the Indian subcontinent has been smashing into asia. Density isn't the whole story either there's also the processes driving the collisions such as the convection currents in the mantle which pulls on subducting plates, aiding in the subduction process.
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arachnophilia
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Message 51 of 78 (378816)
01-21-2007 10:45 PM
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01-21-2007 10:13 PM


Re: intro to geology . . .sort of
You have massive plates believed subducting under the trenches. So how come one weighs less over the trenches? Massive amounts of water subducted into the earth beneath the trenches, or beneath the dense subducting tectonic plates? It seems easier to believe somethings wrong with the tectonic plate theory.
Its interesting however that Coragyps agreed that water is the believed culprit in respect to the tectonic plate theory.
question.
what happens on the other end of the plates? the bits that are separating?


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Randy
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Message 52 of 78 (378818)
01-21-2007 10:56 PM
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01-21-2007 9:57 PM


Re: intro to geology . . .sort of
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The Earths genesis water canopy could well of been the result of the moons water vapor outgassing much like Enceladus to Titan & Saturn robbing of Titan and Enceladus.
So you are now trying to claim that the flood water could have come from the moon?! You do realize that anything falling to earth from that far in space will hit the earth with a velocity of at least 11,200 m/s don't you? This means that each meter of global water falling to earth from space will carry kinetic energy equal to about 3 x 10^25 J which will be enough to heat the atmosphere to about 6,000 degrees. I guess that ark had a really good air conditioning system.
Randy

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Message 53 of 78 (378827)
01-21-2007 11:42 PM
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01-21-2007 10:32 PM


Re: intro to geology . . .sort of
It also explains why plates of nearly equivilent density will collide and force material upward which is what the Himalayas have been doing as the Indian subcontinent has been smashing into asia.
It could be that the earth is still trying to re-equalize from the biblical flood 5400 years ago that is driving the rising Himalayas.
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kuresu
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Message 54 of 78 (378828)
01-21-2007 11:44 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Coragyps
01-21-2007 9:06 PM


Re: intro to geology . . .sort of
not only that, but that water that does get sucked down there, a little over 200 km deep or so (figure from memory, so . . .) is aiding tectonic processes, by allowing the rocks to be partially melted at a lower temp. without that water, it would be a touch more difficult for subduction and the creation of volcano arcs.

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johnfolton 
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Message 55 of 78 (378829)
01-21-2007 11:47 PM
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01-21-2007 10:45 PM


Re: intro to geology . . .sort of
what happens on the other end of the plates? the bits that are separating?
The earth is trying to equalize so they are moving away from the mid-ocean ridges. As it floats away toward the trenches more lava outpours to the mid-ocean ridges.
This is the end that the waters rushed out of the earth it says that fountains of the deep were stopped and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained. kjv genesis 8:2

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CACTUSJACKmankin
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Message 56 of 78 (378830)
01-21-2007 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by johnfolton
01-21-2007 11:42 PM


Re: intro to geology . . .sort of
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It could be that the earth is still trying to re-equalize from the biblical flood 5400 years ago that is driving the rising Himalayas.
That of course assumes that there was a global flood 5,400 years ago. The geologic record is curiously absent of any global uniform flood deposit that is 5,000 years old or any age for that matter. If there was a global flood don't you think that geologists would know it?

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johnfolton 
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Message 57 of 78 (378832)
01-21-2007 11:53 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Randy
01-21-2007 10:56 PM


Re: intro to geology . . .sort of
you are now trying to claim that the flood water could have come from the moon?!
Whatever happened its interesting that Titans magnetosphere is made up of water vapor ions and the creationists belief in a water canopy before there was any scientific evidence to support their belief.
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johnfolton 
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Message 58 of 78 (378833)
01-21-2007 11:57 PM
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01-21-2007 11:49 PM


Re: intro to geology . . .sort of
If there was a global flood don't you think that geologists would know it?
No, they need to be willfully ignorant or lose tenure, or end up like Snelling. Its not good for the pocket book to question status quo, etc...
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arachnophilia
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Message 59 of 78 (378840)
01-22-2007 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by johnfolton
01-21-2007 11:47 PM


Re: intro to geology . . .sort of
what happens on the other end of the plates? the bits that are separating?
The earth is trying to equalize so they are moving away from the mid-ocean ridges. As it floats away toward the trenches more lava outpours to the mid-ocean ridges.
what lava?


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CACTUSJACKmankin
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Message 60 of 78 (378842)
01-22-2007 12:07 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by johnfolton
01-21-2007 11:57 PM


Re: intro to geology . . .sort of
So the reason that what would amount to the greatest geologic discovery in the history of mankind is being covered up by the big academic conspiracy of scientists in order to destroy religion?
You know, there are scientists all over the world who work for different institutions, yet none of these respected scientists stand up either? I'm sorry i don't buy the big science conspiracy theory.

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