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Larni
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Message 91 of 105 (395857)
04-18-2007 6:18 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by CTD
04-18-2007 4:20 AM


Re: Re-Noah's Flood
CTD writes:
Likewise, when God does something quite within his capabilities, there's nothing unscientific about saying so.
As has been pointed out many times (sigh):
This is a science fora.
Please show evidence of your gods capabilities or get out of dodge.
You whole arguement depends on your god being real and it cannot be shown that it is so within the rules of this fora as it does not allow magic.
No magic, no flood survivors to worry about.

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Archer Opteryx
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Message 92 of 105 (395864)
04-18-2007 6:46 AM
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02-14-2007 6:39 PM


Gave at the Office
Time to see the optician.
For a second I thought you said Fund for Noah's Ark Survivors.

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Rob 
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Message 93 of 105 (396584)
04-21-2007 12:09 AM
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04-10-2007 7:29 AM


Re: Re-Noah's Flood
Sidelined:
Then why the punishment for exercising free choice?
It's not that God wants to punish us. He does not. But His justice requires payment. He filled that requirement. We are already in the state of lost-ness. He has reached down with His own 'right hand' to offer us what He wills for us (eternally). If we refuse, then we stay in the state of confusion we are already in. And that is essentially what hell is.

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sidelined
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Message 94 of 105 (396586)
04-21-2007 12:56 AM
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04-21-2007 12:09 AM


Re: Re-Noah's Flood
Rob
I would like to debate this issue with you Rob ,however it will drag the topic too far away from the issue concerning food for NF survivors. Perhaps we can engage in debate in another thread concerning those points you make.

" Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention to arrive safely in a pretty and well-preserved body but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming: Wow!!What a ride!"

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Rob 
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Message 95 of 105 (396590)
04-21-2007 1:14 AM
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04-21-2007 12:56 AM


Re: Re-Noah's Flood

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Grashnak
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Message 96 of 105 (442060)
12-19-2007 8:45 PM


Could the plants and trees survive the flood? Or the bacteria?
Does anyone know how deep then was? Because I just thought about it, how did they survive the pressure of the water? There must been pretty big pressure.
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obvious Child
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Message 97 of 105 (442261)
12-20-2007 4:59 PM
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12-19-2007 8:45 PM


There's a bigger problem then that. To cover Everest would require between 200~400% more water then exists on Earth. If it came from within the Earth, it would be superheated, its release would kill everything except thermophilic bacteria. If it came from a comet, well the size of such a comet would end all life. If it rained, the heat from that much precipitation, much less the toxicity would kill all complex life as well.
What's the point in discussing how they lived after when the flood itself results in mass extinctions of virtually all life on the planet?

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willietdog
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Message 98 of 105 (450941)
01-25-2008 1:22 AM


Olive Branch
i dont know how they survived, but the dove returned with an olive branch, so something survived. to me that suggests the flood wasn't world wide.

  
ThreeDogs
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Message 99 of 105 (450993)
01-25-2008 12:27 PM
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02-14-2007 6:39 PM


“Take with you seven of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, and also seven of every kind of bird, male and female” (Gen 7:2-3)
quote:
It struck me today as I was researching some verses concerning Noah's flood that I would like to ask of those that adhere to the validity of the flood lore an explanation of the problems presented by this verse.
When the dove returned with a tree leaf in its beak...
Genesis 8:11
And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf plucked off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.
The clean animals were for food, with dung enough for bar-b-que, Mrs. Noah was an outstanding cook.

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Jenifer
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Message 100 of 105 (465806)
05-10-2008 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 99 by ThreeDogs
01-25-2008 12:27 PM


Survival on the boat.
Why is this even a question? Look later on in the book to the 40 years in the wilderness. God gave the Israelites food for 40 years. Why would He have a problem with 40 days?

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anglagard
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Message 101 of 105 (465814)
05-10-2008 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Jenifer
05-10-2008 6:58 PM


Re: Survival on the boat.
Jenifer writes:
Why is this even a question? Look later on in the book to the 40 years in the wilderness. God gave the Israelites food for 40 years. Why would He have a problem with 40 days?
This is a science thread, so saying anything is possible due to a miraculous intercession of a given deity is off-topic.
Once you bring in miracles, you are no longer talking about science. Perhaps you should propose a new topic concerning how a belief in miracles is compatible with the desire to attain enough scientific knowledge to make sound predictions, cure diseases, or feed the poor in the modern world.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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Brian
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Message 102 of 105 (465990)
05-12-2008 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by Jenifer
05-10-2008 6:58 PM


Re: Survival on the boat.
Look later on in the book to the 40 years in the wilderness.
That's not in the same book.
God gave the Israelites food for 40 years.
Evidence?
Why would He have a problem with 40 days?
But the Earth was flooded for over a year!
If you are going to live in awe of a fairytale perhaps you should familiarise yourself with what the fairytale actually says.
Brian.

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Coyote
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Message 103 of 105 (466062)
05-12-2008 11:42 PM


Since the thread is dormant...
Q. What's harder than getting a pregnant Brontosaurus into the ark?
A. Getting a Brontosaurus pregnant in the ark!
(Noah! Make them stop. I'm getting seasick!)

  
deerbreh
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Message 104 of 105 (469382)
06-05-2008 11:36 AM


Sauerkraut?
I am guessing that Noah and his family likely survived on saurkraut made from all those pickled plants that would have piled up on the dry land after the flood. The plants which weren't pickled would have fermented and that would explain some of the drunkenness that occured after the flood and the shameful episode involving Ham and the naked drunk Noah. The vineyard was a "cover story" because the writer didn't want to admit that Noah got drunk from eating fermented garbage.

  
deerbreh
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Message 105 of 105 (469387)
06-05-2008 11:51 AM


Fish?
Since most YEC creationists say that fish survived the flood, maybe Noah fished for his dinner. Since Noah did not have a way of cooking or preserving the fish this was likely when rakfisk was invented. Noahrewegians eat it to this day. Maybe it was the rakfisk that made Noah drunk and started all the trouble with Ham. I am so confused.
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