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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3983 Joined: |
My closing coming message was:
Contact with the theme (Behe and/or ID) has be thin at best. Time to lay this one to rest. Will leave open for about 1 hour for any closing comments, or to see if someone will do a good job of dragging this thing back on topic. OK, what I was thinking was "1 hour for any messages in progress", not "1 hour for any grand summary messages". But that is not what I wrote. My impression is that the topic has been pretty badly thrashed, with most material belonging elsewhere if anywhere. If anyone wants to present a good reason why it should be reopened, post away in this topic. Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3983 Joined: |
..."Oh, Percy, if you had just posted a summary," I'll point them at you because it'll be all your fault! Is your (and all the other admins) "Reopen Topic" button broken? Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3983 Joined: |
Yes.
Adminnemooseus is about to get a 24 hour suspension. Percy gets a warning. Adminnemooseus New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts. Comments on moderation procedures (or wish to respond to admin messages)? - Go to:
General discussion of moderation procedures Thread Reopen Requests Considerations of topic promotions from the "Proposed New Topics" forum Other useful links:
Forum Guidelines, [thread=-19,-112], [thread=-17,-45], [thread=-19,-337], [thread=-14,-1073] Admin writes:
It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon. There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot. Please make it easy to tell you apart from the idiots. Source
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3983 Joined: |
AdminNosy promoted the apparently closed PNT in question, and this resulted in the new but created closed "Dates and Dating" version of Age Correlations and An Old Earth, Version 2 No 1.
The is something to be said for presenting "grand unified topics". But they are contrary to forum rule/guideline 3 - "When introducing a new topic, please keep the message narrowly focused. Do not include more than a few points." The reason for that rule 3 is that the lack of focus of such "Grand unified topics" make for debate messes. I think the "Version 2 No 1" is a fine reference but not a viable debate topic, thus I'm for leaving it closed. I think someone needs to start up a new "Dates and Dating" topic that has more focus. Select quality replies to this message are welcome. But such should focus on the concerns of "broad focus vs. narrow focus topics". Adminnemooseus New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts. Report a problem etc. type topics:
Report Technical Problems Here: No. 1 Report Discussion Problems Here: No. 2 Thread Reopen Requests Considerations of topic promotions from the "Proposed New Topics" forum Other useful links:
Forum Guidelines, [thread=-19,-112], [thread=-17,-45], [thread=-19,-337], [thread=-14,-1073] Admin writes:
It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon. There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot. Please make it easy to tell you apart from the idiots. Source
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3983 Joined: |
Very well - Why don't you open the topic then?
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3983 Joined: |
Sure, don't know how it got closed. I did the closure. I guess I was feeling cranky the other night (what a surprise, the membership collectively thinks), and was under the impression that "final closing statements" had been happening over and over for weeks. Basically, RAZD and Straggler (and others?) had said what they had to say, knew they had done such, but still wouldn't quit posting to the topic. So I closed it (never did notice the Admin message ).
Or something like that. Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3983 Joined: |
Topic reopened. Will do some message hiding.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3983 Joined: |
As I more or less said at the topic closing message, I think we need a new topic with a new focus.
Closed and staying closed, unless another admin feels otherwise. Adminnemooseus New Members should start HERE to get an understanding of what makes great posts. Report a problem etc. type topics:
Report discussion problems here: No.2 Thread Reopen Requests 2 Topic Proposal Issues Other useful links:
Forum Guidelines Admin writes:
It really helps moderators figure out if a topic is disintegrating because of general misbehavior versus someone in particular if the originally non-misbehaving members kept it that way. When everyone is prickly and argumentative and off-topic and personal then it's just too difficult to tell. We have neither infinite time to untie the Gordian knot, nor the wisdom of Solomon. There used to be a comedian who presented his ideas for a better world, and one of them was to arm everyone on the highway with little rubber dart guns. Every time you see a driver doing something stupid, you fire a little dart at his car. When a state trooper sees someone driving down the highway with a bunch of darts all over his car he pulls him over for being an idiot. Please make it easy to tell you apart from the idiots. Message 150
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3983 Joined: |
That should be be God damnit you shithead Mr. Moose.
OK, I've overruled my ideals and moved the topic to "Misc. Topics". I even remembered to reopen the new location version (moving a closed topic results is another closed topic).
The new location. Still need to get a better topic title on it. Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3983 Joined: |
The personal introduction part is probably over. Yes, on to theistic evolution or the lack thereof, and probably wherever else the topic goes. Somewhere along the line I'll get a better topic title on it.
Adminnemooseus Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Change ID.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3983 Joined: |
Probably a valid point, which makes the whole topics existence rather silly (or something like that).
That said, the topic had run 479 messages, and I would hope that your point was brought up somewhere in there. As I see it, the topics not going to be reopened. And this topic is not the place to debate that topic's theme. So please, nobody else reply to the above message (or to this message). Adminnemooseus
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3983 Joined: |
I tacked a footnote to the bottom of Onifre's second final message, which contains a link to your message. That's all you're going to get.
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3983 Joined: |
Just Being Real posted here:
Why was the "Potential Evidence for a Global Flood" thread locked off again exactly? It's interesting that I was preparing to respond on it and then it was locked for "bogus messages about to be posted." Was it for my benefit? Or am I just reading too much into this? My "topic closing temporarily" message:
Temporary topic closure because of bogus messages coming in about 15 minutes. Damn, I'm good. Shut that sucker down just in time. Normally I do comma overkill. The above sentence really needed a couple of commas. It should have been:
Temporary topic closure, because of bogus messages, coming in about 15 minutes. I'll now reopen the topic. Please, quality messages, not snark. AdminnemooseusPlease be familiar with the various topics and other links in the "Essential Links", found in the top of the page menu. Amongst other things, this is where to find where to report various forum problems. |
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3983 Joined: |
Re: This
Others might sneak a message in also, but I expect the topic will be again temporarily closed in the next hour or so. AdminnemooseusOr something like that. |
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Adminnemooseus Administrator Posts: 3983 Joined: |
AdminPhat said:
This topic is veering way off course. I'm going to give it a rest. Topic Reopen Requests simply Message Me.(or any administrator) Instead of a temp closure, he apparently put it into summation.
Modulous writes: Yeah I'm not getting the summation message that used to pop up. Since Percy seems exempt too, maybe its because we have the Admin accounts linked to our name and the software is mistakenly let us post on our 'debate' accounts? I think the summation message pop up only happens once. I would be inclined to have it open every time. Members with admin linked IDs are exempt from the summation restrictions. I don't think that was a deliberate design by Percy, just a byproduct of the admin ID exemption. I'm pretty sure that admins can edit in even a closed topic, although I don't think they can post a new message in a closed topic. Bottom line - I think that topic is a terminal mess and needs a simple closure. But I will take it out of summation and then put it back into summation. That should reset things such that Faith can get one last summation message. AdminnemooseusOr something like that.
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