General discussion of moderation procedures - Part οκτώ

I got that! But what do you do when certain creatures (for whatever their reasoning or lack thereof) do not believe in swords?They do not even know they're dead!

You wait till they put on a mask and come back and then start all over again.

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Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

Rob,like all entertainment, it`s for the benefit of the onlookers.

we have a rather simple problem here, brian. it seems that that the vast majority of the people who espouse creationist views are somewhat incapable of adhering to the guidelines of reasonable and intellectual debate. i can't say for certain anything about a cause/effect relationship, but there's definitally a correlation. the problem is that all we have are clowns. and yes, they will go away -- suspended or banned. aside from the fact that this makes this forum appear really biased, it effectively grinds the debate to a screeching halt.it would be nice if we could find some reasonable creationists, but that appears to be a contradiction in terms. we can't even find as many unreasonable ones as we have "evolutionists." but that's the nature of this battle, and it should really say something about the merits of creationism.please feel free to help the board the come up with a better solution -- one that's fair to both sides, doesn't separate the camps, and actually contributes to the debate instead of hampering it. for now, this is the best we've got. nobody has to post in the showcase. in fact, most of the members cannot. unless you're secluded there, the only way to get there is to ASK to be allowed to participate. the whole thing is voluntary. (heck, you don't even have to post at the rest of the board, do you?)i feel dr. a's frustration, and randman's manipulation of the rules was quite cowardly. but that's the showcase. it gives the cranks a place they feel isn't purposefully rigged against them, even if that means it has to be rigged against everyone else. but it's a matter of public record; everyone can see what they say. you'll just have to have a little faith that most people have a little common sense and can tell which group knows what they're talking about, and which group is the nutters. and the key, i think, is high ground. the more they act unfairly and disrespectfully, the worse they look. we shouldn't stoop to that level; it only makes our arguments look as faulty as theirs.

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That was very clever...But the real reason you don't like me, my dear DrJones, is because my mask is off and I have joined the enemy who intends to convince you to take off your own lest you wear it forever.Do what ever you want. You don't obstruct like jar does, and I appriciate that.Respectfully yours, Rob

Well just keep lookin'. You never know what you might find.

jar can be a bit abrasive sometimes. but many of the more fundamentalist-oriented christian members here have a tendency to be a bit preachy. usually, when he calls something "irrelevent" it's because it is a red herring. for instance, when you wander down the line of salvation in the "old laws" thread, it's actually off-topic, if only marginally so. obviously, the person making the question is aware of christian theology and the concept of salvation by faith -- but the question is whether those old laws should still be followed or not.jaywill in particular has a tendency to go off on rather preachy tangents. and i promise it is nothing that jar has not (or i have not) heard before. and it becomes frustrating to continually be faced with sifting through lengthy sermons when we're really interested in discussion and critical analysis. no, actually, it is not. one can easily demonstrate whether or not they are a scientist by presenting their degrees and research. christianity is more a question of one's heart, and personal relationship with god. and to judge someone as un-christian is insulting -- who are you to presume to know the contents of their heart? and if we are to judge them by their actions and their failings, how would you also be judged?. such a statement is, in itself, a demonstration that one does not always follow the teachings of christ. so i could just as easily say that you are not a christian because you judge people.can you imagine how me saying this of you would be hurtful and insulting, and totally ignorant of information i could not possibly know? jar is a theist. jar voluntarily gave up his admin status, iirc, because he was leaving the board in protest over something else. he seems to be back, and i don't especially recall all of the details as it was something in the private admin forum.

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Who said that i don't like you? Which enemy would that be?

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Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

Not only voluntarily gave up Admin status but ran joyously from the club room. Being an Admin is a thankless and demanding job and doing it well is honestly, tough. There are so many things that go on behind the scenes to keep the board working that the general membership never sees. The Admins here and frankly at most boards do far more than one could reasonably expect.When you have a dual position as member and also Admin it places extreme limits on what you can post. You are always having to second guess what you say as a member so that your Admin status is not seen as either an advantage or special position.Now, as simply a member I have more latitude to speak without the encumbrances of Adminship. I am just another voice.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Dr. Adequate did not "leave" the Showcase debate with randman; randman effected his removal for the most pernicious of reasons--Dr. Adequate was besting him in fair debate.This is a perversion of discourse.I am amazed--and dismayed--that you think it a reasonable arrangement.

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Not nice and not true, Arach. Clownish and unreasonable members post here from all ideological directions. Your inflamitory remarks lumping all creationists as unreasonable clowns are themselves unreasonable and insultive to some members who have as good or better record as you for forum behavior. I suggest that you work a little harder to keep the peace in EvC town.

Well for the record, I respect you as one of those who is interested in critical analysis. And my preachy sermon traits have been bridled as you can see. But I do not put jar in the same catagory as many of you. You are welcome to join that thread. We could use some reasonable minds over there. Touche'... I stand condemned. I cannot speak. Yes, but I don't have to imagine it. I experience it daily at the hands of jar. As do other well meaning and honest theists. And that is why I am appealing to the body(if you will) for some even handed expectations of behavior, as I have tempered my own hostility in face of strong and open hostility.Consider: 1 John 2:20-27
20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. 21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist--he denies the Father and the Son.1Co 12:3 ...and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.I don't hear a lot of confessions that Jesus is Lord at EVC. And if there were, what would be the response from theists like jar?Here it goes... Jesus is Lord!

You're the doctor...

Well actually I'm not, now why don't you answer my questions? This constant dodging and refusing to answer straight out questions is why you have a bad reputation here.

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Just a monkey in a long line of kings.
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist!
*not an actual doctor

you'll find that jar and i are very similar on a great many things. i was participating at one point. i might come back if i see anything that particularly draws my interest. your statement implies that jar is not an honest and well-meaning theist. and in my experience here, he most certainly is. and can you point out where jar has condemned you (or anyone else) as not-a-true-christian, at any point? even if, for the sake of argument, as i did above (which i hope you are aware is a judgement i do not actually make). well, see, this is what we mean by preaching. this really has very little to do with my comment to you (one christian to another) about the behaviour of judging others being viewed as rude, nor does it have anything to do with the topic (discussing moderation procedures). this discussion doesn't really go in this thread at all. because this is for discussion; it's not a church. jar isn't just a theist, he's a christian. he's just not from the same particular sect you are, and he's not a fundamentalist. that doesn't make him a non-christian.

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