General discussion of moderation procedures - Part οκτώ

Nevertheless, it can be pleasantly conciliatory towards others and healthy for one's own soul. Somewhere in the good book is this good advice: "In lowliness of mind, let each esteem the other better than themselves." I find that there's always some qualities the other has which are better than my own if I look for them. Why I've even found that to be true with our friend Jar, the general grand nuisance of all ideological debate counterparts to him.
He must carry a laptop with him everywhere he goes so as to not miss a jab at anything we fundy creos post in any and every thread. Edited by AdminPD, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28

If I met an ugly person and said "You're ugly" - it'd be true, but disprespectful.Likewise if I saw an overweight person and called them 'fatty', that would be disrespectful.I did not suspend Dr Adequate because he was not stating facts or otherwise. I suspended him because his comments were disrespectful. I suspended Dr Adequate because randman has been suspended for much less and it would be a double standard to look the other way for Dr Adequate.The 'but he is a liar' defense has been used time and time again here, by randman included. It didn't work in randman's defense, it won't work in Dr Adequate's.

Heh. I never meant to imply that what Dr. A said wasn't true or accurate . Indeed, I completely share your and his opinion on the matter. However - and this is the point I was trying to raise - when one is compelled to fight barbarians the greatest danger is that one tends to become more and more like them. An outcome I think we can all agree is devoutly to be avoided. And a safe and prosperous New Year to you and yours as well.

Those comments would certainly be needlessly offensive and serve no good purpose, humiliating persons with little or no choice--or moral culpability--in the relevant matter; nor have the ugly slandered the fair, nor the fat the slim. Charging a slandering liar with his lies is materially different. Even the great respect due to the Office of the President should not preclude the observation that the current occupant is a liar who has done great harm to others. Randman is apparently beyond suspension, having gained the powerful immunities of Showcase. Truth is a defense that could never work for randman, though it should confer some good to anyone who speaks it.No defense could ever work for anyone here, because discussions of post mortem reservations such as mine are not trials. Still, I do recognize the forum's legitimate (though sometimes somewhat selective) concern for decorum.I won't weary you further with the issue, AdminModulous. Thank you for the courtesy of your reply.

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As I said, the argument has been tried before. It doesn't work. The point remains that it is not respectful to call someone a liar, goad and needle them, call them a coward. Its simple, everyone on either side is convinced of the dishonesty of the other side. Both sides are completely convinced of it. It is simpler to say 'don't call your opponent a liar, simply show why they are wrong or inconsistent', than to have three 300 post long threads debating whether there was an intention to decieve, with lots of dictionary definitions of 'to lie' being thrown around and so on and so forth. It just gets messy and absurd.Calling your opponent a liar is likely to end up with you getting suspended. Simple. Effective. Even if your opponent is a liar, don't call them a liar. Show that they are wrong. Show that they are inconsistent.Calling your opponent a coward is likely to end up with you getting suspended. Don't do it, its easy. Untrue. Randman is suspended from almost all fora. He can even be suspended from other Showcase threads (not practically, due to software restrictions). He is effectively the moderator of his own threads because for whatever reason, people enjoy debating him but he cannot stay within forum guidelines. Thus we allow him to make up his own rules, so people can get to engage with him if they choose.I really do understand that both the Showcase and rule 10 application system is imperfect. I feel that temporary suspensions are a good compromise - creationist forums often simply ban transgressors permanently. That way, we can slap people on the wrist for going a little too far and if they are persistent we can get rid of them or remove certain privelages.I just want it known that Dr A's suspension wasn't a knee-jerk reaction to some abrasive words. It was a considered action, and while it probably wasn't the best action, it certainly wasn't a terrible action (I hope).

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All of what you say may be true. It doesn't really matter because that's not the heart of the issue. I don't think that's why AdminMod gave Dr. Adequate a time out. He gave him a time out because of his discourteous tone that gave rise to some gratuitous uses of ad hom. In other words, AdminMod is being a fair and impartial moderator, something that all Admins are to aspire to. If it were the other way, I have no doubt that AdminMod would have suspended Randman.

As indicated, AdminModulous, with the exceptions of wishing you a Happy New Year and offering my assurances of respect, I leave you with the last word on the matter.

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For the love of God get rid of the Showcase.If Percy is relcutant to do so why don't members just boycott the freakin thing?Rand and the others are in showcase because they are thick as two short planks, why even go in there to engage them?Ignore the clowns and they will go away.Brian.

I do see that it is simple.

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As a moderatorr you should know that Rand is immune from suspension in the Nutcase (sorry Showcase forum) so he couldnt be suspended.The showcase is an embarrassment, how anyone can agree to be incarcerated there is beyond me.

I'll tell you this... if I was doing what jar is doing in the 'Old Law Still Valid' thread, I would be suspended. And rightly so I now concede. I'd like to think I am growing up, but with much anguish.That is the purpose of discipline. If I dare say, it is a God given gift of training.His behavior there is clearly intended to derail any semblance of communication.He blows off arguments as 'stupid', 'platitudes', 'meaningless' etc.He is forever drawing things off topic and then declaring the answer to his bait irrelevant and off topic.And his claiming to be a christian would be like me claiming to be scientist, and capable of defining what science is, and making my opinion as valid as the scientific method. Those of you who are scientists would be appalled.There's room for disagreement within science and religion, but outright obstructionism is tolerated nowhere.It's like having a wild beast running amuck in the meeting room.He intentionally provokes people and insults them. I have been guilty of falling for the trick over and over again in my own childish pride.I intend to ignore him. I'm getting better at it, but it is very disruptive to actual communication going on. I've outgrown him. Now I know why some of you are so often digusted with me.If he disagrees with a post, he should explain why it is meaningless or stupid or a platitude or irrelevant and not simply say that it is.Should I just expect him to get a pass or what?Is that his job? To brow beat the theists into leaving? is there going to be order in the court.Did his loss of Admin status have anything to do with this?It is just mind boggling!Any suggestions for me as I ask you to raise the bar and lighten the mood somehow?Edited by scottness, : No reason given.Edited by scottness, : No reason given.Edited by scottness, : No reason given.

jar is a theist, a Christian theist as a matter of fact. His job is to point out when Christians are simply resorting to meaningless platitudes.I can't help it if folk seem unable to post messages that are relevant and on topic.

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Thank you for that jar...Anyone can see the clear reasoning behind your assessment. You've explained yourself so well as always.Didn't anybody read you your rights?Edited by scottness, : No reason given.

LOLWell it's obvious I am not a typist. Caught me there.What I said in Message 283 was Edited by jar, : add quote.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You can`t enforce 'respect' as it is something earned from the quality of your arguments or replies. However, to retain any sort of order here, we need civility. Not abject civility, but a passing attempt at it. English is a beautiful language (sorry,Brad ) and you can enjoy a hundred insertions of the rapier, but only get one swipe with a cutlass. Try it.