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can you please give me one reason to believe in evolution ?, just one ,make it the best reason you can think of.

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I like the distribution pattern of GLO pseudogenes amongst mammals. Refer to message #13 on the Booboocruise's Dissolvable Best Evidence thread. It was given in response to a similar challenge from Booboo.See if you can provide a better creationist explanation (other than goddunit) than Booboo has so far done. And please respond on that thread so that this thread is not unnecessarily sidetracked.

See if you can provide a better creationist explanationi probably can't and i admitt this because frankly all that stuff is above me ,however if you go to genesis which i first read when i was about ten and did understand it, i'm sure you'll agree the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.so your one reason hasn't worked for me , sorry.

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however if you go to genesis which i first read when i was about ten and did understand it, i'm sure you'll agree the simplest explanation is usually the correct one.

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so your one reason hasn't worked for me , sorry.

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LOL. I'm sure you also believe that ignorance is bliss.Don't go issuing stupid challenges if you are not prepared to give any thought to the responses which they will elicit. I suggest you waste your time elsewhere.[This message has been edited by wj, 05-06-2003]

the challenge was to get me to believe in evolution with one reason, i am not a fool nor ignorant , it is you who have failed to convince me , so stop whining because i threw a knockout punch ,as i said the simplist explanation is often the correct one.
Indeed God knew i would believe the bible the first time i read it
where as evolution is a scientific theory , which is frankly boring and offers me nothing except 'you came from a chimp' lol
Would i have believed this scientific babble at the age of ten?

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Aren't all creationists, by definition, liars anyway?

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as a person who believes in creation this seems a little insulting

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As one who does not, I agree with you. Creationists can be very sincere indeed - I know many creationists in whose integrity I have and do place the greatest trust.

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the challenge was to get me to believe in evolution with one reason, i am not a fool nor ignorant , it is you who have failed to convince me , so stop whining because i threw a knockout punch ,as i said the simplist explanation is often the correct one.

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I think this hardly a knockout punch - you set up the challenge (give me one reason), you have the sole judgement of success (only you know if he got you to believe or not) and you define the parameters (the simplest explanation is often the correct one.)You threw nothing but a challenge you had no interest in giving serious consideration to - as you said, you find science frankly boring and a babble.This is the kind of behaviour which give creationists a bad name. You may not be a liar, but you don't give anyone the slightest reason to care what, or if, you think.

As one who does not, I agree with youthankyou mr Pamboli , i agree , evolutionists i'm sure ,like yourself,
arent all insulting , like wj

please dont think i was n't willing to listen,i read the whole paragraph as he asked me to , and i genuinely wanted to know if there was a brilliant reason to believe.'You threw nothing but a challenge you had no interest in giving serious consideration to - as you said, you find science frankly boring and a babble.'i am sorry i was so blunt it was just that he shown me a list with about 10 reasons and thay were very scientific , i apologise to any science fans!

You do raise an interesting point, which may be worth pursuing on another thread: compelling resaons for believing in evolution that are not highly technical - how to convice a layman.Anybody feel like opening a thread on this?

If I didn't know hillip Johnson's arguments weren't to promote a specific religious ideology (he calls his whole effor the Wedge Movement, even) I'd be more inclined to take them seriously.Trial courtrooms aren't the place to arrive at truth, Perry Mason episodes notwithstanding. One look at the American legal system is enough to confirm that. It's a system for interpreting law, and that's it. I never said that Phillip Johnson was a liar, and I certainly wouldn't call all creationists liars. I don't think it's lying to promote things that you believe in. That said, I think a number of creationist figureheads spread falsehoods, some knowing, some not. Kent Hovind is certainly one of the former. Phillip Johnson may be one of the latter.

Well, here's one - people who ARE qualified to judge the technical evidence all agree that evolutionary models tend to be more correct.I mean, if one isn't even going to make an attempt to understand the findings of science, what do we care what they think?Mike, if the bible answers all your questions about life, the universe, and everything, that's fine. I'm glad. But the bible isn't good enough for some of us - much of what is says flies in the face of our experience and sense. For us, science has proven to be a superior method of discovering the true nature of reality around us.If you're not interested in that, that's fine. But I would ask you - without at least casual knowledge of the methodology and findings of science, how is your viewpoint relevant to what is essentially a scientific question?

From Mike the wiz

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i am sorry i was so blunt it was just that he shown me a list with about 10 reasons and thay were very scientific , i apologise to any science fans!

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I directed you specifically to my message #13. It appears that you did not bother to read as far as the end of message #1. This, and your subsequent comments are ample justification for speculating that you would support the adage that ignorance is bliss. If you wish to remain in ignorance then you are wasting your time and bandwidth at this website.Insults are not necessary. Your actions speak for you. How appropriate, considering the title of the thread and previous discussion therein.

I presume you are no longer ten years old. What's that verse about "When I was a child.." and "childish things?" Many of us here feel that it's sort of a good grown-up thing to do to learn about the world around us. Just because you didn't believe or understand biology and geology at ten doesn't mean that you wouldn't if you gave it a try now.

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i am sorry i was so blunt it was just that he shown me a list with about 10 reasons and thay were very scientific , i apologise to any science fans!

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Well of course they were scientific! Evolution is a scientific theory! What did you expect? Do you also expect non-religious explanations of the significance of the Incarnation?

'Well of course they were scientific! Evolution is a scientific theory! What did you expect'i have nothing against science , wahat i meant by science babble was being blinded by science , theres a phrase 'blinded with science' i couldn't remember this phrase at the time.it doesn't mean the ONE reason couldn't be scientific , all i was asking for was something i could understand .ok here it is (i'm not super intelligent) there i've admitted it , what more do you want.