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Author Topic:   Natural Limitation to Evolutionary Processes (2/14/05)
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Message 130 of 299 (330238)
07-10-2006 3:10 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by inkorrekt
07-10-2006 1:28 AM

Re: Considering rapid rate of mutation
It is the evolutionary scale ranging from the unicellular organism to mammals.
There is no such scale, there is just the assumption on your part that one exists.
Today, to my knowledge, there is no other species above man.
It is the Bible that says mankind was set above other animals. Science generally considers man to be just another animal.
Take a look here:
Palaeos: Page not found
That's a high-level cladogram of how science currently views the phylogenetic class of mammals. You'll notice that humans and their close relatives (hominoidea) do not appear on the top or bottom of the list. Position on the list merely places each clade (branch) in relationship to other clades within the diagram. Homo sapiens is just one more branch on the tree, not the end product.
My original question is: If evolution is a continuous process, then where does it end?
The ToE tells us evolution requires only imperfectly replicating structures. If there are none (all life as we know it ends or somehow begins to replicate perfectly) then evolution will cease. Evolution does not have a goal or purpose.
What will be the next species after man?
Since we cannot (yet) predict what mutations may appear or how they will be filtered by natural selection there's no way of knowing. Think of it like this: those cards haven't been dealt yet. We have a growing understanding of the cards still in the deck and we can make a few predictions (our successor species will probably still have 4 limbs and our general arrangement of bones and organs) we can't say exactly what will be different about them.

When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data.
- Henry Morris, Head of Institute for Creation Research

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Message 136 of 299 (331817)
07-14-2006 7:01 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by inkorrekt
07-13-2006 11:37 PM

Re: Considering rapid rate of mutation
Take for example, any text book on biology. Man is the current listing in the hierarchy. Everyone here who has questioned me regarding the hierarchy does not seem to have noticed the scale in basic text books on biology where man is listed on the top.
I thought about asking you to provide a reference, but in this case it really doesn't matter. Even if a textbook displayed a hierarchy of species with man at the top they would merely be wrong, just like you. But you say any textbook on biology, so I only need show one reference where man is not on top (as I did in my previous link although it wasn't from a textbook) to show that you simply don't know what you're talking about.
Applying the above quote, I would like to ask everyone who demanded prediction from those who believe in ID to explain why they are not predicting the future of man as to whom he will EVOLVE into?
the general premise for any theory to be approved is its PREDICTABILITY. How does evolution fit in interms of prediction??
And I explained why you can't demand that answer from the ToE. Asking that question only shows that you have either no understanding of the ToE or are unwilling to discuss it honestly. Which is it?

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